Is This Too Much? - Page 3

Kachina624 · ‎03-10-2010

@Natureluvr wrote:
Until housing costs go down, salaries will need to increase to compensate for the ever-growing homeless population. People should make enough money to at least pay their bills but that is becoming increasingly difficult for many.

@Natureluvr. If people aren't making enough to pay their bills, perhaps they need to cut back on expenses. I live on a fixed income and am constantly doing that. I'm sure others are also.

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geezerette · ‎03-16-2010

You can be sure that any increase in benefits won't come without consequences to the employees receiving them.

My driver is already dreading having to make more deliveries in fewer hours, just for starters.

kaydee50 · ‎02-07-2011

@ninjawife wrote:
@Trinity11 wrote:
They said pay and benefits. Are they adjusting the salary by putting a price on the benefits, including the value of the benefits in the $170,000.00? At that pay scale, we will have kids not bothering with college.😳
@Trinity11 Not everyone is cut out to go to college. That doesn't mean they shouldn't make a comfortable living for a hard day's work.

Agree 100%. Not everyone should go to college, and IMO a college education is overrated. I too appreciate the hard work UPS/Fedex and other drivers do. They deserve whatever they can get.

aroc3435 · ‎09-30-2010

@Kachina624 A union bargains to get the best possible deal for the members it has been elected to represent.

Historically, in the United States, this has meant that a union victory has benefitted people in analogous job segments without union representation to get some of those same benefits because of pressure for companies to attract and retain employees. It also has been a way for more Americans to move into the middle class.

Prices inevitably increase and decrease in cycles and big corporations usually find ways to improve their profits often at the expense of their regular employees and customers. Their upper echelons of management and board of directors protect themselves with handsome benefits and salaries with a wide divide in terms of the "worker bees" that sustain them.

This time, the union for UPS members won, and it was long overdue. I think the figures you quote may be slightly misleading because years of service and other things probably come into play and perhaps there was a signing bonus--not sure. And the money comes over a five year period--the life of the contract.

I have a college degree and I'm glad I have it but the attitude about that is shifting slightly now.

I think emphasis on improving the quality of education for the first twelve grades of school, plus pre school and its being equitable for all will be increasing in importance as our society evolves. Is the soaring cost of tuition and room and board for college still worth it as much as it was seen to be from the 1960s to date?

If you ever get a chance to speak at some length with a veteran UPS driver you will find that their skill set is real and they have to be flexible and endure an extreme amount of stress.

I feel nothing but happiness at the outcome of the UPS union fight. If some of the gains for them result in some for other drivers--FedEx comes to mind--that ultimately will help all of us in terms of economics and in other ways.

aroc3435

Washington, DC

NYCLatinaMe · ‎01-14-2017

@SilleeMee wrote:
And where does this leave people on fixed incomes? Rising pay scales only drives the wedge deeper between classes of society.

@Kachina624 You are not describing the terms of the porposed contract correctly. And no @SilleeMee, I don't think this contract will make UPS drivers join the 1%.

The proposed contract provides that by THE END of the 5 year contract, full-time UPS delivery drivers will make an average of $49 per hour, which works out to nearly $102,000 per year, assuming a 40-hour workweek, 52 weeks a year. Those employees are guaranteed an eight-hour workday. The additional $50,000 in benefits includes health, welfare and pension contributions, payroll taxes and the like. I don't know how this adds up to $170,000, maybe they are assuming overtime, as this $170,000 is called average compensation.

It is estimated their pay IN FIVE YEARS will be similar to that of physician assistants.

Part-time union employees that are already working at UPS, by the end of this contract IN FIVE YEARS, will be making at least $25.75 per hour plus health care and pension benefits.

All this seems very reasonable to me.

NYCLatinaMe · ‎01-14-2017

@Kachina624 wrote:

@granddi wrote:
I don't know.

UPS said the average full-time driver would earn about $170,000 (£135,000) annually, including healthcare and other benefits, by the end of the five-year contract.
That is up from about $145,000 now.

This discussion could include sports, performers, stock brokers, lawyers, celebrities, CEO, inherited wealth...............

@granddi. We're discussing unskilled labor with minimal education. Should ditch diggers, janitors, road pavers also be paid $170,000? Why not?

@Kachina624 Why don't you think unskilled labor deserve fair compensation for their hard work? Would you have taken those jobs?

NYCLatinaMe · ‎01-14-2017

@Kachina624 wrote:

@Natureluvr wrote:
Until housing costs go down, salaries will need to increase to compensate for the ever-growing homeless population. People should make enough money to at least pay their bills but that is becoming increasingly difficult for many.
@Natureluvr. If people aren't making enough to pay their bills, perhaps they need to cut back on expenses. I live on a fixed income and am constantly doing that. I'm sure others are also.

@Kachina624 What you suggest is a recession, where everyone has less. I would rather have economic growth.

Goodie2shoes · ‎04-30-2012

I say good for them ! My son drives a 18 wheeler overnight hours from Mo to Illinois or Mo to Kansas and back then sleeps all day getting ready for the overnight drive again. UPS drivers work overnight driving as we all know so that we get our packages delivered good or bad weather ( my son also drives good or bad weather) I think they deserve the pay increase and great benefits. My son says that's the main reason he continues working that kind of job, great pay and benefits.

Trinity11 · ‎11-16-2014

@kaydee50 wrote:
@ninjawife wrote:
@Trinity11 wrote:
They said pay and benefits. Are they adjusting the salary by putting a price on the benefits, including the value of the benefits in the $170,000.00? At that pay scale, we will have kids not bothering with college.😳
@Trinity11 Not everyone is cut out to go to college. That doesn't mean they shouldn't make a comfortable living for a hard day's work.
Agree 100%. Not everyone should go to college, and IMO a college education is overrated. I too appreciate the hard work UPS/Fedex and other drivers do. They deserve whatever they can get.

I never said that everyone needs to go to college. I thought of it as a positive for kids strained financially to attend college. Now they can make a liveable wage @kaydee50 . Just another choice.

A college education is the best gift a child can have if they wish to pursue a profession. It is not overrated.