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[Adelina]

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@151949 wrote:

We used to have a thing in nursing units calledc a geri chair. It was a  easy chair with a table that locked in place in front of the patient and kept them from getting up and falling or wandering off.( sort of like an adult high chair) People , like those here discussing this subject, complained that it was cruel to restrain patients including use of geri chairs. So the states passed laws banning the chairs and restraining patients who are senile or have altzheimers.So now they are allowed to wander ,  wander off the unit and get lost and fall and get fractured hips and heads.For some reason people think this is preferrable to letting them sit in a chair with a table where they can eat easily and do some thing like folding towels - a favorite activity we give senile patients to occupy them. The only alternative is for the family to pay for a private sitter which is not cheap. 

Thus I am way past people who don't know what they are talking about condeming those who are there every day dealing with the issues.

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This is "unkind to other posters" IMHO.

[hyacinth003]

IN GENERAL, I would be against handcuffing a child.  I was watching "On the Record with Greta VanSusteren last night, and all were outraged at that video.  She conducted a twitter poll, asking if you should EVER use handcuffs on a child.

Overwhelmingly people replied "no."

My daughter was a special needs child that could become violent.  It did not happen in school, but it did happen at home.  When she was 11, she attacked me with a knife, threatened her father, then went under the table and threatened to hurt herself.

We had to call the police.  When they came in, she complied with their request to slide the knife out and come out from under the table.  So, they never had to use force.  BUT, they might have had to.  And, perhaps handcuff her for her own safety.  She went on to a psychiatric hospitalization that included another child being very combative and requiring massive restraint. 

As an RN, I have been in involved in serious restraint of combative patients. 

So, walk in the mile of another's shoes before judgement is rendered so quickly.

Hyacinth

[occasionalrain]

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@suzyQ3 wrote:

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@occasionalrain wrote:

Agressive children do not belong in classrooms with normal children. No one special needs or not should be permitted to kick, hit, or throw things at others. Crying over a non injured restrainrd child while having no sympathy for the kicked teacher or the innocent children forced to witness their teacher being attacked is shameful.

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There's something so distasteful to me about your use of the word "normal" here.

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What would you prefer I had called them? Surely referring to a child as normal is PC.

However, after spending a school year in a classroom never knowing when you would have to evacuate it and head to a "safe" place because books, desks, arms, and legs are flying would make remaining "normal" a challenge to say the least. 

[hyacinth003]

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@Adelina wrote:

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@151949 wrote:

We used to have a thing in nursing units calledc a geri chair. It was a  easy chair with a table that locked in place in front of the patient and kept them from getting up and falling or wandering off.( sort of like an adult high chair) People , like those here discussing this subject, complained that it was cruel to restrain patients including use of geri chairs. So the states passed laws banning the chairs and restraining patients who are senile or have altzheimers.So now they are allowed to wander ,  wander off the unit and get lost and fall and get fractured hips and heads.For some reason people think this is preferrable to letting them sit in a chair with a table where they can eat easily and do some thing like folding towels - a favorite activity we give senile patients to occupy them. The only alternative is for the family to pay for a private sitter which is not cheap. 

Thus I am way past people who don't know what they are talking about condeming those who are there every day dealing with the issues.

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This is "unkind to other posters" IMHO.

IMHO, she makes a valid point.

Hyacinth

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[Adelina]

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@occasionalrain wrote:

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@suzyQ3 wrote:

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@occasionalrain wrote:

Agressive children do not belong in classrooms with normal children. No one special needs or not should be permitted to kick, hit, or throw things at others. Crying over a non injured restrainrd child while having no sympathy for the kicked teacher or the innocent children forced to witness their teacher being attacked is shameful.

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There's something so distasteful to me about your use of the word "normal" here.

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What would you prefer I had called them? Surely referring to a child as normal is PC.

However, after spending a school year in a classroom never knowing when you would have to evacuate it and head to a "safe" place because books, desks, arms, and legs are flying would make remaining "normal" a challenge to say the least. 

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Perhaps this kind of setting is not meant for some?  I don't think all teachers and all nurses (to name just a few professionals) have a solid understanding and/or have what it takes to work with special needs children.

My understanding from those who are in the know about this is that, fortunately, to work with special needs children there are very specific credentials needed and a vastly different teacher preparation program from the usual.  In fact, it's a program that requires several interviews and recommendations from the applicants. Hopefully, this still stands true....

[Adelina]

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@hyacinth003 wrote:

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@Adelina wrote:

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@151949 wrote:

We used to have a thing in nursing units calledc a geri chair. It was a  easy chair with a table that locked in place in front of the patient and kept them from getting up and falling or wandering off.( sort of like an adult high chair) People , like those here discussing this subject, complained that it was cruel to restrain patients including use of geri chairs. So the states passed laws banning the chairs and restraining patients who are senile or have altzheimers.So now they are allowed to wander ,  wander off the unit and get lost and fall and get fractured hips and heads.For some reason people think this is preferrable to letting them sit in a chair with a table where they can eat easily and do some thing like folding towels - a favorite activity we give senile patients to occupy them. The only alternative is for the family to pay for a private sitter which is not cheap. 

Thus I am way past people who don't know what they are talking about condeming those who are there every day dealing with the issues.

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This is "unkind to other posters" IMHO.

IMHO, she makes a valid point.

Hyacinth

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Just trying to establish a level playing field here..... What is good for the goose is good for the gander. 

[NoelSeven]

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@151949 wrote:

We used to have a thing in nursing units calledc a geri chair. It was a  easy chair with a table that locked in place in front of the patient and kept them from getting up and falling or wandering off.( sort of like an adult high chair) People , like those here discussing this subject, complained that it was cruel to restrain patients including use of geri chairs. So the states passed laws banning the chairs and restraining patients who are senile or have altzheimers.So now they are allowed to wander ,  wander off the unit and get lost and fall and get fractured hips and heads.For some reason people think this is preferrable to letting them sit in a chair with a table where they can eat easily and do some thing like folding towels - a favorite activity we give senile patients to occupy them. The only alternative is for the family to pay for a private sitter which is not cheap. 

Thus I am way past people who don't know what they are talking about condeming those who are there every day dealing with the issues.

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The complaint is not about the teacher.  It isn't about those who are there every day dealing with the issues.  It's about the deputy who came in and  handcuffed the child.

[MyGirlsMom]

Noelseven posted:

 "It's about the deputy who came in and  handcuffed the child."

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Exactly!