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[NoelSeven]

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@occasionalrain wrote:

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@suzyQ3 wrote:

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@occasionalrain wrote:

Agressive children do not belong in classrooms with normal children. No one special needs or not should be permitted to kick, hit, or throw things at others. Crying over a non injured restrainrd child while having no sympathy for the kicked teacher or the innocent children forced to witness their teacher being attacked is shameful.

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There's something so distasteful to me about your use of the word "normal" here.

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What would you prefer I had called them? Surely referring to a child as normal is PC.

However, after spending a school year in a classroom never knowing when you would have to evacuate it and head to a "safe" place because books, desks, arms, and legs are flying would make remaining "normal" a challenge to say the least. 

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Where did that happen?  The flying legs and desks?  Not in this case that I saw reported.

[surfk]

I don't think that anyone is "judging" anyone here. I think, though, that people are looking for better solutions to threatening or violent special needs children in the schoolroom other than calling in the SWAT team or handcuffing or tying them to a chair.

I mean, there has to be a BETTER solution than that.

Otherwise, there was not much point in society moving out of a Dickensian era of madhouse snake pits, beatings, restraint tables and ball-in-mouth gags.

No matter how popular those things may remain in other circles, they don't belong in modern education in the 21st century.

If one wishes to react to such students with thrashings or ropes, you were sadly born in the wrong century.

What next? We cut off the pretty girl's hair because it defies godliness by falling into natural curls of the devil's vanity??

As educators and parents (as a society) we should be striving to do better and not just falling into what is immediate or "easy". Because you know what's even easier than tying a kid to a chair in a school room? Don't even bother sending him to school.

Don't even bother to educate such children. That would be the easiest thing.

If one is looking for easy answers and ways to avoid problems in the school house.

We could all return to a time when special needs children were hidden away, kept rather like animals and just "endured" until they died.

But I presume we want MORE than all of that. And more than the dark atrocities committed unto such children in previous centuries.

It may not be EASY to deal with such kids. And it might be hard work to find the proper solution. But one must always look for something better.

And handcuffing children and calling out the brawny Marines to deal with 'em really isn't much of a solution. Gee why not involve Mr. Brocklehurst in their education while you're at it. Maybe he can come into the picture and send them out into the rain until they develop a sense of self-control...and double pneumonia.

If I had a child in such a situation I would already be dying a bit inside at the struggle they are enduring in life let alone the sadness I would feel to learn he or she were being restrained or tethered like a dog to a school room chair.

If I wanted that for my child, I'd have sent him to the asylum on the hill where no one bothers to know what becomes of such children.

[Adelina]

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@NoelSeven wrote:

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@151949 wrote:

We used to have a thing in nursing units calledc a geri chair. It was a  easy chair with a table that locked in place in front of the patient and kept them from getting up and falling or wandering off.( sort of like an adult high chair) People , like those here discussing this subject, complained that it was cruel to restrain patients including use of geri chairs. So the states passed laws banning the chairs and restraining patients who are senile or have altzheimers.So now they are allowed to wander ,  wander off the unit and get lost and fall and get fractured hips and heads.For some reason people think this is preferrable to letting them sit in a chair with a table where they can eat easily and do some thing like folding towels - a favorite activity we give senile patients to occupy them. The only alternative is for the family to pay for a private sitter which is not cheap. 

Thus I am way past people who don't know what they are talking about condeming those who are there every day dealing with the issues.

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The complaint is not about the teacher.  It isn't about those who are there every day dealing with the issues.  It's about the deputy who came in and  handcuffed the child.

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True @NoelSeven. Sorry if things got off track.....

[NoelSeven]

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@Adelina wrote:

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@NoelSeven wrote:

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@151949 wrote:

We used to have a thing in nursing units calledc a geri chair. It was a  easy chair with a table that locked in place in front of the patient and kept them from getting up and falling or wandering off.( sort of like an adult high chair) People , like those here discussing this subject, complained that it was cruel to restrain patients including use of geri chairs. So the states passed laws banning the chairs and restraining patients who are senile or have altzheimers.So now they are allowed to wander ,  wander off the unit and get lost and fall and get fractured hips and heads.For some reason people think this is preferrable to letting them sit in a chair with a table where they can eat easily and do some thing like folding towels - a favorite activity we give senile patients to occupy them. The only alternative is for the family to pay for a private sitter which is not cheap. 

Thus I am way past people who don't know what they are talking about condeming those who are there every day dealing with the issues.

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The complaint is not about the teacher.  It isn't about those who are there every day dealing with the issues.  It's about the deputy who came in and  handcuffed the child.

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True @NoelSeven. Sorry if things got off track.....

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Not your fault,  Adelina I keep checking to see if we are talking about the same case.  No one is faulting the teachers, and I have no idea where the flying desks came from.

[Desertdi]

It's against the law to restrain the elderly.......I would think children have the same protection.......(?)

[MrsSweetieBear]

I guess I'm confused and admit to having mixed feeling on this problem.  I can see the arguement on both sides.  

[Tinkrbl44]

DANGEROUS students need to be dealt with to prevent anyone else getting injured ..... it doesn't matter if it's a disabled student, or one that carries around a knife during the school day.  

Perhaps there need to be better protocols in place for the disabled .....  but teachers need to do what they can to assure other students aren't hurt.

[CrazyDaisy]

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@surfk wrote:

I don't think that anyone is "judging" anyone here. I think, though, that people are looking for better solutions to threatening or violent special needs children in the schoolroom other than calling in the SWAT team or handcuffing or tying them to a chair.

I mean, there has to be a BETTER solution than that.

Otherwise, there was not much point in society moving out of a Dickensian era of madhouse snake pits, beatings, restraint tables and ball-in-mouth gags.

No matter how popular those things may remain in other circles, they don't belong in modern education in the 21st century.

If one wishes to react to such students with thrashings or ropes, you were sadly born in the wrong century.

What next? We cut off the pretty girl's hair because it defies godliness by falling into natural curls of the devil's vanity??

As educators and parents (as a society) we should be striving to do better and not just falling into what is immediate or "easy". Because you know what's even easier than tying a kid to a chair in a school room? Don't even bother sending him to school.

Don't even bother to educate such children. That would be the easiest thing.

If one is looking for easy answers and ways to avoid problems in the school house.

We could all return to a time when special needs children were hidden away, kept rather like animals and just "endured" until they died.

But I presume we want MORE than all of that. And more than the dark atrocities committed unto such children in previous centuries.

It may not be EASY to deal with such kids. And it might be hard work to find the proper solution. But one must always look for something better.

And handcuffing children and calling out the brawny Marines to deal with 'em really isn't much of a solution. Gee why not involve Mr. Brocklehurst in their education while you're at it. Maybe he can come into the picture and send them out into the rain until they develop a sense of self-control...and double pneumonia.

If I had a child in such a situation I would already be dying a bit inside at the struggle they are enduring in life let alone the sadness I would feel to learn he or she were being restrained or tethered like a dog to a school room chair.

If I wanted that for my child, I'd have sent him to the asylum on the hill where no one bothers to know what becomes of such children.

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Your post make me chuckle....Not sure if you are serious about some of these statements or trying to be funny.  Either way very entertaining, thanks.

[Financialgrl]

My first thought was - you mean to tell me there wasn't one adult that couldn't outsmart or gain control of a second grader, disabled or not.    AND I get that kids have meltdowns but still.  As for the deputy - - he outweighed the poor kid by about 250 lbs - and find it hard that he or oneother  person in the school that couldn't help this poor child!  I don't believe that.    I worked for a school system and they never used handcuffs or force for the ED children (Emotionally Disturbed).  There method of restraint was to hug them tight so they couldn't thrash about until they calmed down. 

[teachergal]

I was punched in the face by a 100 pound third grader last year.  The student was taken out of my room by two police officers who put handcuffs on him in the office when he punched one officer and bit the other.  This child never returned to my class.  This is one reason I chose to retire this year.