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Garner, the Chinese are openly upset. They spent considerable resources searching in a non-viable area. I bet other countries aren't too happy with the inept handling of this situation either......

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On 3/15/2014 ShowMe said:

Remember....."ALL RIGHT, GOOD NIGHT" were the last words heard from this plane.

I have also read that was all right, good night comment was made right after the ACARS was shut off.

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On 3/15/2014 kze said:

Just a guess, of course, but I think whoever did this knew a lot more than we think. The ACARS indicated the plane ascended to 45,000 ft. which would have made oxygen too thin in the passenger cabin for survival. There would have been indefinite oxygen in the cockpit and flight attendants would have had some type of oxygen tanks. The "bad guys" would have made sure they had enough for themselves. Then the plane descended to 23,000 ft. which is the level which is normally not monitored by radar until aircraft reach much lower levels. At that level they probably have flown undetected to their destination, wherever that was. But why? It was estimated that they had a total of fuel for 7 hours. But who knows if all of this is true.

Not according to the pilots who have commented on this. They have said that cabin pressure would have maintained through that.

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They aren't happy but, it was them (China) who released the pic of the three large objects in the sea. Then they took it back claiming it was a mistake, wasn't supposed to be released. I don't know what that even means...a mistake because it wasn't really there (although we could see it) or that it wasn't supposed to be released. That didn't even make any sense. I'm still wondering what all that "stuff" was.

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On 3/15/2014 Irshgrl31201 said:
On 3/15/2014 kze said:

Just a guess, of course, but I think whoever did this knew a lot more than we think. The ACARS indicated the plane ascended to 45,000 ft. which would have made oxygen too thin in the passenger cabin for survival. There would have been indefinite oxygen in the cockpit and flight attendants would have had some type of oxygen tanks. The "bad guys" would have made sure they had enough for themselves. Then the plane descended to 23,000 ft. which is the level which is normally not monitored by radar until aircraft reach much lower levels. At that level they probably have flown undetected to their destination, wherever that was. But why? It was estimated that they had a total of fuel for 7 hours. But who knows if all of this is true.

Not according to the pilots who have commented on this. They have said that cabin pressure would have maintained through that.

Forgot to add this is according to John Goglia who was is a previous president of NTSB. He also went on to say that it is important to remember that the radar showing that the aircrafts altitude is based on primary radar return data that is known to be inaccurate at great distances from ground radar return stations, as is the case here. He said even at 45,000 ft the cabin pressurized system will mimic the pressurization of 8,000 ft or less.

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On 3/15/2014 Irshgrl31201 said:
On 3/15/2014 Irshgrl31201 said:
On 3/15/2014 kze said:

Just a guess, of course, but I think whoever did this knew a lot more than we think. The ACARS indicated the plane ascended to 45,000 ft. which would have made oxygen too thin in the passenger cabin for survival. There would have been indefinite oxygen in the cockpit and flight attendants would have had some type of oxygen tanks. The "bad guys" would have made sure they had enough for themselves. Then the plane descended to 23,000 ft. which is the level which is normally not monitored by radar until aircraft reach much lower levels. At that level they probably have flown undetected to their destination, wherever that was. But why? It was estimated that they had a total of fuel for 7 hours. But who knows if all of this is true.

Not according to the pilots who have commented on this. They have said that cabin pressure would have maintained through that.

Forgot to add this is according to John Goglia who was is a previous president of NTSB. He also went on to say that it is important to remember that the radar showing that the aircrafts altitude is based on primary radar return data that is known to be inaccurate at great distances from ground radar return stations, as is the case here. He said even at 45,000 ft the cabin pressurized system will mimic the pressurization of 8,000 ft or less.

Thanks for the correction. So much information out there.

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I'm beginning to think that it wasn't random terrorists sitting in the plane with the rest of the passengers.

First of all, on the 777, the cockpit door is of the new reinforced kind, that has a deadbolt on the inside.

Second of all, everything happened so soon right after take off.

My question is, if it was a pilot bent on committing suicide, why wait so long to do it? Why not do it right after take-off?

I think they were trying to avoid being detected by radar, that's why all the zig-zagging.

If they went north, there are all kinds of places that they could've landed in one of the -stans.

They don't have the latest, state-of-the-art technology when it comes to radar detection over there.

There was no cell phone towers over water.

Even in the remoteness of the desert, it can be hard to get a signal.

Do I think that the passengers are alive?

I doubt it.

Also, the senior pilot had a flight simulator in his home.

Did he have it because he enjoyed flying, and he used it to practice flying in to airports that he might be unfamiliar with, or to practice landing in adverse conditions?

Or, did he have it for nefarious reasons?

I guess time will tell.

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Seems like too much time has passed for any hope to be held out for the passengers. I know, I know, I should hold out for the best. On one radio station here, someone mentioned that as soon as more facts come out and the conclusion, there will be a made for tv or a feature film on the event. I don't understand that thinking at all.

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