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03-26-2018 01:34 PM
Looking at all the mass shootings, it is quite obvious that the shooters were prepared to die and often killed themselves. I don't think the threat of knowing there are armed teachers or guards will deter someone if their intent is to shoot as they are probably not in a normal frame of mind! Arming some teachers could be a disaster! There already have been a few guns going off in schools by teachers. You get one teacher shooting randomly at shots fired then another shooting in the direction of the second shot and on and on depending on how many armed teachers there are. Bigger chance that others will get hurt or killed! You'll get all the yahoos who think they know firearms doing this but in the end they could make things worse! Most schools won't even have a candidate who might actually be trainable and won't overreact. The presence of guns does not mean safety for anyone! I think securing the schools better by making only one available entrance where someone has to be buzzed into a seperate enclosed area and then an armed guard will search and scan anyone wanting access before escorting them to their destination. Also safe closets are another option like one school already has. The cost of insuring and constantly training teachers who carry guns to school might actually be higher than shoring up security and hiring more real qualified police/guards.
03-26-2018 01:46 PM
@Pook Most of the schools in PA have one entrance and all doors are always locked. You must have a badge to open the door or must be buzzed in to the lobby that leads to the business office. The only way you can get into the hall way is to go through the office area.
The area where I see a “security hole” is in the morning. When the students are coming in, a teacher stands and holds the door open for the students.
Since most of the students are comming off of a bus, there are 30 to 60 entering at a time.
Some schools make the students pass through metal detectors, but many don’t.
I think all schools should be using metal detectors and everyone should be passing through them.
We have had instances where first and second graders have brought a gun to school.... not planning to shoot anyone, just to show it off...dangerous too. They have idiot parents who do not lock up their guns.
03-26-2018 01:49 PM
@sidsmomwrote:
@KingstonsMomwrote:
@sidsmomwrote:....but Parkland had armed personnel, so...
How’s that working?
Oh, wait.
While I agree with your point, it's better than a box of rocks, IMO.
Not all law enforcement officers are cowards.
They would not be ‘law enforcement.’
They would be ‘armed security.’
Two totally different animals.
You're preaching to the choir, I'm part of an FBI family, so I apologize to you for my poor choice in wording.
03-26-2018 01:53 PM
03-26-2018 01:54 PM
Metal detectors are great as long as you have someone who can then take control of the situation, if needed. Question is, WHO is that person going to be? In my county, it's an armed police officer in the middle and high schools. Currently, there is not a cop in the elementary schools but that will be changing (or so I hear). There is a major difference between an on-duty armed cop, a deputy and a hired security guard (all carrying guns). If anything, that 2 step defence (metal detectors and armed cop) should be the FIRST thing any school does.
But that raises other issues. And round and round it goes.
03-26-2018 02:03 PM
@sidsmomwrote:
@KingstonsMomwrote:
@sidsmomwrote:....but Parkland had armed personnel, so...
How’s that working?
Oh, wait.
While I agree with your point, it's better than a box of rocks, IMO.
Not all law enforcement officers are cowards.
They would not be ‘law enforcement.’
They would be ‘armed security.’
Two totally different animals.
Boyfriend used to call 'armed security' "Rent-a-Cops".
I am in favor of actual well trained and equipped law enforcement to be present in schools. No, I don't like the "armed camp" criticism I hear, but it beats dead children.
03-26-2018 02:04 PM
Maybe every school in the nation needs to say they are going with the "Bucket of Rocks" idea and then maybe they'll get some actual security.
03-26-2018 02:04 PM
@sidsmomwrote:We’re cool!
🌼💛
Yep! We be cool!
03-26-2018 02:05 PM
@sidsmomwrote:....but Parkland had armed personnel, so...
How’s that working?
Oh, wait.
I understand your concern. Sadly the school, police & the FBI failed miserably & those failues should be investigated & charges filed for negligence...shifting the blame to gun rights & owners is not acceptable to me.
03-26-2018 02:06 PM
The rock idea wasn't the brightest, but good for him for citing that media attention has the potential to do more harm than good, as it often does.
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