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[jubilant]

On 4/5/2015 NoelSeven said:

On 4/5/2015 jubilant said:

On 4/4/2015 raven-blackbird said:

On 4/4/2015 SugarNSpice said:

On 4/4/2015 NoelSeven said:

On 4/4/2015 SugarNSpice said:

<em>It "is sacred because it is where their creation story begins." and "All of the highest points in the islands are considered the home of deities"</em>

I like to follow what I can of the archeological digs in the Holy Land. I know for sure there would be a major uprising if someone wanted to construct a large telescope, and all that was needed to go with it, on sites where Christ lived or walked or died or rose again.

Hi Noel,

Completely agree.

Here is my post from #28

"I'd be willing to bet if you put up one of these telescopes next to the Statue of Christ in Brazil there would be an uproar.

I'll bet if you put a telescope dead center in the garden tomb there would be an uproar.

It seems insulting that some only see it important when it comes to something that is scared to their belief or faith."

I hope you have a happy and peaceful Easter.

you can make bank on it.................................raven

I would be honked as a Christian....that is true....but I would also be honked if I were a native of that land. Please don't lump all Christians into one big ball. While we many not agree with some beliefs...and they may not agree with us.... sacred ground is sacred ground and, in my opinion, should be honored. Oh boy, now I will probably get it from both sides.

I edited this to say that, while their are some Christians here who make a big ado about the smallest things ....we are not all like that. Most of us love our fellow man and feel hurt when they are hurt and many of us hate the way they have been treated....red, yellow, black, or white!!

jubilant -

Raven and SNS are not lumping all Christians together, they both know I am a Christian, which is how I know darn well how we would feel if others wanted to destroy the street where Jesus walked on what we remember as Palm Sunday, or any other of our holy sites.

Happy Easter, jubilant

Happy Easter, Noel! I know Raven and SNS aren't like that. I probably shouldn't have said anything. I have been a little worked up about all the Christians in other countries being persecuted and no one saying anything about that. I should have stuck to the subject at hand....which does upset me too. Sorry to all. I think I jumped the gun here and went off in the wrong direction. Thanks, Noel for bringing it to my attention.

[SugarNSpice]

Hi Jubilant,

I'm sorry if you felt "all Christians" were being lumped into one group. That was not my intention. I have the utmost respect for many Christians and their teachings (I think you'd be shocked to know just how much respect I have for them. I'd take up for them in a heart beat) and yes, there are a few I have little to no respect for. There are good and bad in all groups, faiths, beliefs, traditions, etc.

I get upset when I see a temple or church destroyed. I get upset when I see holy or scared land or artifacts destroyed.

What genuinely irritates me is when someone feels their temples/churches/holy or scared land or artifacts are more important to protect than the next groups.

You summed it up perfectly...“While we many not agree with some beliefs...and they may not agree with us.... sacred ground is sacred ground and, in my opinion, should be honored.”

Happy Easter, Ladies

And Thank you, Noel

[jubilant]

Thank you for understanding, SugarNSpice. No need to apologize. I just should have kept my mouth shut. Every now and then I stick my foot in it.

[SugarNSpice]

On 4/5/2015 jubilant said:

Thank you for understanding, SugarNSpice. No need to apologize. I just should have kept my mouth shut. Every now and then I stick my foot in it.

Thank you for taking the time to read my post and understanding.

[jessa]

Thanks for this thread Loves Roses........didn't see the other one but learned a lot I never knew before about this...........

[NoelSeven]

On 4/5/2015 SugarNSpice said:

Hi Jubilant,

I'm sorry if you felt "all Christians" were being lumped into one group. That was not my intention. I have the utmost respect for many Christians and their teachings (I think you'd be shocked to know just how much respect I have for them. I'd take up for them in a heart beat) and yes, there are a few I have little to no respect for. There are good and bad in all groups, faiths, beliefs, traditions, etc.

I get upset when I see a temple or church destroyed. I get upset when I see holy or scared land or artifacts destroyed.

What genuinely irritates me is when someone feels their temples/churches/holy or scared land or artifacts are more important to protect than the next groups.

You summed it up perfectly...“While we many not agree with some beliefs...and they may not agree with us.... sacred ground is sacred ground and, in my opinion, should be honored.”

Happy Easter, Ladies

And Thank you, Noel

Thank YOU, SNS

[scotttie]

I am confused. IF the mountain is already home to observatories and telescopes, etc. why is one more telescope a problem? It seems as if they should never have been able to put these observatories there in the first place?

I'm not disputing the issue just asking for clarification.

[jubilant]

On 4/5/2015 scotttie said:

I am confused. IF the mountain is already home to observatories and telescopes, etc. why is one more telescope a problem? It seems as if they should never have been able to put these observatories there in the first place?

I'm not disputing the issue just asking for clarification.

Scottie: I am no authority on this, but from what I have read, they want to put this telescope at a place they call Mauna Kea. It is the burial grounds of some of their most sacred and revered ancestors. It is a place where they go for sanctuary.

[SuiGeneris]

On 4/5/2015 scotttie said:

I am confused. IF the mountain is already home to observatories and telescopes, etc. why is one more telescope a problem? It seems as if they should never have been able to put these observatories there in the first place?

I'm not disputing the issue just asking for clarification.

scotttie, I addressed this w-a-y-y-y-y back in post #27, hoping it would spark a conversation about why it's a problem now, but it wasn't a problem in the 1950's when the first observatories were built? Or, maybe it was a problem, but we didn't have the internet back then? Here's my post #27:

On 4/4/2015 SuiGeneris said:

What isn't being said is that there are already buildings and observatories in place on top of Mauna Kea.

The present issue is dealing with the new construction of a Mega-Telescope and the renewal of the University of Hawaii's 65-year master lease of "the Mauna Kea Science Reserve and Halepohaku facilities, which currently house thirteen observatories and telescopes, representing research universities and governments from around the world, all on top of the dormant Mauna Kea volcano.

Scheduled to become operational in 2022, the Thirty Meter Telescope would be the largest and most powerful telescope in the world, over 30 meters in diameter, 18 stories high, with ten times the power of the Hubble Space Telescope." [Source: nbcnews.com]

[scotttie]

Hi Jubilant: thank you for your reply.

Yes, SuiGeneris, I saw earlier your post and that info was why I asked again since it wasn't answered.

I am totally sympathetic to their cause ...I just am confused about why it is an issue now when it is too late?