Re: First order of business for the New Year

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@terrier3 wrote:
@YorkieonmyPillow wrote:
People also need to look at history and how people have fared when their ability to defend themselves was removed......I could understand if people were worried about guns in the hands of criminals and gangs, but they never talk about that. I never hear any discussion about how to collect guns from the criminal element of society - I guess because they know it's impossible - yet they want regular people to have background checks.

None of it makes any sense, people are aware of that, and that's why gun sales are up.
We can easily look at what has happened in Australia and England - not to mention Canada - to see that control works well in countries with people similar to Americans.

Australia was founded as a penal colony for England - with LOTS of tough customers. If they could enforce restrictions, so can we. It took a while after they enacted tougher laws in 1995 (or so). But 20-25 years later, the following occured: By 2010-2014, the entire gun related homicides across all of Australia had dropped to 30-40 per year. Firearms in 2014 were used in less than 15% of homicides, less than 0.1% of sexual assaults, less than 6% of kidnapping/abductions and only 8% of robberies.
In fact, the first laws in the USA were in the Wild West - townspeople got fed up with violence and enacted laws forcing people to turn in their weapons before going into town. So it DOES work, and has even in the USA, when you look at history.

Less crimes committed with the use of firearms doesn't equal less crimes comitted.

YorkieonmyPillow · ‎01-13-2013

@Maudelynn Are you laboring under the delusion that people have to buy firearms from a gun dealer, and if they don't, that's illegal in every state?

You apparently do not know the gun laws that currently exist in the USA. Knowing what you are talking about is a good thing when you call someone out.

Here ya go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state

Maudelynn · ‎05-08-2015

@YorkieonmyPillow wrote:
@Maudelynn Are you laboring under the delusion that people have to buy firearms from a gun dealer, and if they don't, that's illegal in every state?

You apparently do not know the gun laws that currently exist in the USA. Knowing what you are talking about is a good thing when you call someone out.

Here ya go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state

You will soon need background checks to buy over the internet and from unlicensed dealers. I'm under no delusions at all. Closing these loopholes will disallow any Tom or Harry from being able to legally purchase without a background check. Better stock up now if you do, indeed, care about legal ownership.

You have sacrificed nothing and no one.

YorkieonmyPillow · ‎01-13-2013

@JustJazzmom wrote:
The only thing I will say to John's remarks is cars were designed to be driven; guns were designed for killing or injuring.

So guns are "bad?"
When and if you ever have a 250 lb. drug-fueled whacko busting through your front door, you will be THANKFUL that guns are designed for killing or injuring.

That's why the police carry them. That's why Pres. O is surrounded by them. Is his life worth more than yours or mine? No....we have the right to defend our own lives and the lives of our families with a firearm.

Not everyone wants to be a victim.

YorkieonmyPillow · ‎01-13-2013

@Maudelynn wrote:
@YorkieonmyPillow wrote:
@Maudelynn Are you laboring under the delusion that people have to buy firearms from a gun dealer, and if they don't, that's illegal in every state?

You apparently do not know the gun laws that currently exist in the USA. Knowing what you are talking about is a good thing when you call someone out.

Here ya go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state
You will soon need background checks to buy over the internet and from unlicensed dealers. I'm under no delusions at all. Closing these loopholes will disallow any Tom or Harry from being able to legally purchase without a background check. Better stock up now if you do, indeed, care about legal ownership.

Dream on.

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@JustJazzmom wrote:
The only thing I will say to John's remarks is cars were designed to be driven; guns were designed for killing or injuring.

Then why do cars end up killing as many/more people as guns in this nation each year? Statistics vary, but most from the last two years show about equal deaths, some show one coming in slightly higher than the other. NYT article I looked at showed 2014 deaths still higher nationwide by cars.

Makes no matter to the lost one's family whether the object was designed to kill or not, dead is dead. Even more tragic when people don't get outraged by the fact that is happened by the person behind the 'thing' and not the thing itself. Guns are no more dangerous than cars. Both, if not handled properly, can lead to the same end.

Maudelynn · ‎05-08-2015

@YorkieonmyPillow wrote:
@Maudelynn wrote:
@YorkieonmyPillow wrote:
@Maudelynn Are you laboring under the delusion that people have to buy firearms from a gun dealer, and if they don't, that's illegal in every state?

You apparently do not know the gun laws that currently exist in the USA. Knowing what you are talking about is a good thing when you call someone out.

Here ya go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state
You will soon need background checks to buy over the internet and from unlicensed dealers. I'm under no delusions at all. Closing these loopholes will disallow any Tom or Harry from being able to legally purchase without a background check. Better stock up now if you do, indeed, care about legal ownership.
Dream on.

Are you saying you won't follow the laws? Scary. And precisely why we need stricter laws.

You have sacrificed nothing and no one.

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@Maudelynn wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@YorkieonmyPillow wrote:
@RainCityWoman wrote:
@deepwaterdotter wrote:
I underwent a background check when I purchased my firearm, it was painless and went smoothly. I didn't feel violated or intruded upon.
Exactly. So you have to wonder what some who are so vehemently against it are hiding.
Because a person doesn't agree with background checks doesn't mean they are "hiding something." A person has a right to privacy, or at least, they should.
I wouldn't do a background check to get a firearm.
It's none of the government's business.

AMEN! @YorkieonmyPillow
Should we deduce from your statements that neither of you own a firearm? Or should we imagine that you do own them, but have gotten them illegally?

You should deduce that it is not your business.

Mominohio · ‎08-08-2010

@Maudelynn wrote:
@HappyDaze wrote:
@Maudelynn wrote:
People can squawk and yell all they want. We won't know what impact it will have until we've tried. Thank you Mr. President, for thinking enough about the safety of our citizens to force this change. We'll have an entire year to judge the effects.

Funny that we're so willing to give up other freedoms- it's ok for our phone calls to be monitored, it's ok to go through the 3rd degree when travelling, it's ok that our internet activity can be tracked- when we think we may be in danger of middle eastern terrorists. But when the terrorists live in our neighborhood, we're reluctant to impede on their "rights".
Many of the states where mass shootings took place already HAVE background checks in place, that is the point. So we already DO know what impact they have (little to none) since we have tried it. Oregon has background checks, even at their gun shows despite what the media has told you, so does California. Both have had mass shootings or other horrible incidents occur.

I know you would like to think the background checks will solve all our gun problems but it won't and you ignore the facts that many here have presented to you regarding background checks. We need to enforce the laws already in place and fix the broken system- like not allowing people with criminal histories THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH BACKGROUND CHECKS to still obtain guns That is a flaw in the system and should never happen, yet it does, on a regular basis. So you can pile on more and more laws but until those laws are actually enforced, they mean nothing and hold no weight and the shootings will continue..

All well and good. But the fact remains we do not have universal background checks. Good for the states that require them. However, many don't. That is about to change. If it saves one mass shooting rom happening, it's a success.

Oh yes, very intelligent. Let's require for everyone, what hasn't been shown to work for the few.

YorkieonmyPillow · ‎01-13-2013

@Maudelynn wrote:
@YorkieonmyPillow wrote:
@Maudelynn wrote:
@YorkieonmyPillow wrote:
@Maudelynn Are you laboring under the delusion that people have to buy firearms from a gun dealer, and if they don't, that's illegal in every state?

You apparently do not know the gun laws that currently exist in the USA. Knowing what you are talking about is a good thing when you call someone out.

Here ya go. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state
You will soon need background checks to buy over the internet and from unlicensed dealers. I'm under no delusions at all. Closing these loopholes will disallow any Tom or Harry from being able to legally purchase without a background check. Better stock up now if you do, indeed, care about legal ownership.
Dream on.
Are you saying you won't follow the laws? Scary. And precisely why we need stricter laws.

Don't put words in my mouth - but then again, I guess that's all you can do here.......is try to accuse people of illegal activities. That's kind of odd, in and of itself - what are YOU doing that makes you so suspicious and accusatory towards others?

Who knew I was so terrifying. LOL.