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[Pashmina_1]

Getting back to the quote I think it means exactly what the Bible says about the devil. He is the master at deceiving, the master at manipulating, he keeps transforming himself into the angel of light and he's gotten people to fall for his tactics over and over again down through the ages.

[Lila Belle]

On 3/31/2015 RainCityGirl said:

On 3/31/2015 tansy said:

On 3/31/2015 chickenbutt said:

On 3/31/2015 RainCityGirl said:

Sorry, but I don't believe in a Satan, Devil, Lucifer the fallen angel, Beelzebub, Mephistopheles or any other incarnation that people attribute to "evil." These are merely symbols to me of what may or may not exist in real human beings. To blame some nebulous caricature of malevolence on choices made by actual humans is a cop out in my opinion. There is only one person responsible for wrong doing, and that is the individual. If you do the deed, then at least have the intestinal fortitude to accept responsibility when confronted and deal with the consequences one way or the other.

Well said. These are all fictional characters and it's hard to believe that some people actually think they exist. I abhor brainwashing. It is insidious on so many levels.

Well said by both of you...and a relief that someone thinks like me

Maybe it's the water where we live. LOL.

That must be some fine water !

[YorkieonmyPillow]

On 3/31/2015 chickenbutt said:

On 3/31/2015 RainCityGirl said:

Sorry, but I don't believe in a Satan, Devil, Lucifer the fallen angel, Beelzebub, Mephistopheles or any other incarnation that people attribute to "evil." These are merely symbols to me of what may or may not exist in real human beings. To blame some nebulous caricature of malevolence on choices made by actual humans is a cop out in my opinion. There is only one person responsible for wrong doing, and that is the individual. If you do the deed, then at least have the intestinal fortitude to accept responsibility when confronted and deal with the consequences one way or the other.

Well said. These are all fictional characters and it's hard to believe that some people actually think they exist. I abhor brainwashing. It is insidious on so many levels.

That sounds like you're saying people who believe in God have been brainwashed.

[scotttie]

On 3/31/2015 YorkieonmyPillow said:

On 3/31/2015 chickenbutt said:

On 3/31/2015 RainCityGirl said:

Sorry, but I don't believe in a Satan, Devil, Lucifer the fallen angel, Beelzebub, Mephistopheles or any other incarnation that people attribute to "evil." These are merely symbols to me of what may or may not exist in real human beings. To blame some nebulous caricature of malevolence on choices made by actual humans is a cop out in my opinion. There is only one person responsible for wrong doing, and that is the individual. If you do the deed, then at least have the intestinal fortitude to accept responsibility when confronted and deal with the consequences one way or the other.

Well said. These are all fictional characters and it's hard to believe that some people actually think they exist. I abhor brainwashing. It is insidious on so many levels.

That sounds like you're saying people who believe in God have been brainwashed.

It sure does.

[SugarNSpice]

On 3/31/2015 YorkieonmyPillow said:

On 3/31/2015 chickenbutt said:

On 3/31/2015 RainCityGirl said:

Sorry, but I don't believe in a Satan, Devil, Lucifer the fallen angel, Beelzebub, Mephistopheles or any other incarnation that people attribute to "evil." These are merely symbols to me of what may or may not exist in real human beings. To blame some nebulous caricature of malevolence on choices made by actual humans is a cop out in my opinion. There is only one person responsible for wrong doing, and that is the individual. If you do the deed, then at least have the intestinal fortitude to accept responsibility when confronted and deal with the consequences one way or the other.

Well said. These are all fictional characters and it's hard to believe that some people actually think they exist. I abhor brainwashing. It is insidious on so many levels.

That sounds like you're saying people who believe in God have been brainwashed.

I'm not reading it that way and I agree with their POV. And I happen to believe in "The Great Spirit / God / The Almighty that goes by many names." I have a deep spiritual belief in "The Great Spirit / God / The Almighty" or which ever name you go desire.

[SuiGeneris]

Isn't it wonderful that one can enter the big, wide world of the internet and find those of like minds?

It's equally wonderful that QVC has provided a bulletin board wherein those of disparate minds are allowed to converse and exchange opinions and ideas, as long as the conversations remain courteous and respectful.

ETA: No bulletin board policing here, merely expressing my opinion. One is free to disagree with said opinion.

[Lila Belle]

Isn't anyone who subscribes to a philosophy or religion indoctrinated into it ?

[SuiGeneris]

On 3/31/2015 Lila Belle said:

Isn't anyone who prescribes to a philosophy or religion indoctrinated into it ?

Indoctrination is exclusionary. Per Websters:

indoctrinate - to teach (someone) to fully accept the ideas, opinions, and beliefs of a particular group and to not consider other ideas, opinions, and beliefs

I, personally, enjoy "considering other ideas, opinions and beliefs." That's what makes this board (and the world in general) an interesting place.

[chickenbutt]

On 3/31/2015 Lila Belle said:

Isn't anyone who subscribes to a philosophy or religion indoctrinated into it ?

Sure is. Thanks for the definition, Sui!

I also appreciate that you are more open-minded than many. But a really good percentage that I know stick to every word of that, most especially 'to not consider other ideas, opinions, and beliefs'.

I don't have enough fingers and toes to count how many people have told me that, JUST because I don't believe what they believe I am (and I quote) "evil and going to heII", as are all my gay friends. 100% of these people were of one religion - probably the one most prominent here. I'm not here to insult anybody but the simple fact is that the majority have these ways of thinking and they believe, think, and say everything they are taught to believe, think, and say. Fortunately, there are some who take the better qualities and I have friends in that category too. They don't call me 'godless heathen' and don't tell me what horrible fate awaits me because they GET that they don't know that any more than I do.

I'm NOT evil, nor are any of my friends and the whole 'heII' thing - well, don't get me started.

[HollyDays]

Gee chicken, who are these people you associate with??????