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[RainyDayGal]

What kind of dog is Lola and how high is your fence?

[jaxs mom]

On 7/7/2014 happy housewife said:

We installed one and the first day I took the dog out with the collar set at the high setting because she was a large dog and that was what the instructions said. Well, she got shocked twice and after that refused to go back out. I called the trainer and he said I would have to take the collar off a few days and try again. What we ultimately found was we only needed to set it at the lowest setting and set the warning beep at 6 ft. So after that when she would hear the beep she would stop flat so she was not getting shocked again. We did have a issue with a neighbor kid who thought it was great fun to grab the dog and drag her or call her over the line so she would get shocked and yelp. When her dad noticed this he took the collar and put it against her arm and made her walk over the line and get the shock - that ended that.Our dog quickly became border trained by the beeps and we stopped putting the collar on her.The folks who bought our house are using it now though.

Oh man, that kid and her parents would have heard it from me like no one has before. What kind of psychopath does that? At least her father taught her a lesson on purposely harming others.

[jaxs mom]

On 7/7/2014 RedConvertibleGirl said:

On 7/7/2014 JeanLouiseFinch said:

On 7/7/2014 RedConvertibleGirl said:

I would never use them. Your dog may not leave the yard but that will not prevent other animals from coming in the yard. I think dogs should have a secured fenced yard. I think the better solution would be to worth with her to not jump the fence you currently have.

Some housing developments, subdivisions, whatever you want to call them, don't allow for fenced yards unless the homeowner has a pool.

Then I would either only take my dog out on a leash, or I wouldn't have a dog. I lived in a town home without a fence and my dog only went out on a leash. We then bought a house for her with a fenced yard. I think there are too many negatives with invisible fences.

I wouldn't live in a neighborhood subdivision where I was forbidden to have a fenced yard. I wouldn't even move into or buy a house without a fenced yard unless it was on acreage in the boonies. We did have 10 acres surrounded by another 100 acres of open fields before.

[CrazyDaisy]

I would never put a pain inflecting device on a dog. If it was so effective, why is there not one for toddlers?

Coyote rolls can prevent our dog from jumping the fence. Making yourself and the games you are playing with her interesting will keep her attention and in your yard. Never saw a dog jump the fence while playing with their owner. Recall training can help retrieve your dog should he get out.

I have two medium size dogs and live in an apartment. There are lots of things you can do to provide exercise for your dog.

[RainyDayGal]

On 7/7/2014 CrazyDaisy said:

I would never put a pain inflecting device on a dog. If it was so effective, why is there not one for toddlers?

Coyote rolls can prevent our dog from jumping the fence. Making yourself and the games you are playing with her interesting will keep her attention and in your yard. Never saw a dog jump the fence while playing with their owner. Recall training can help retrieve your dog should he get out.

I have two medium size dogs and live in an apartment. There are lots of things you can do to provide exercise for your dog.

Good suggestion! I would much rather that the going the pain route. I just recently saw these and they're kind of cool and would work.

[JeanLouiseFinch]

On 7/7/2014 CrazyDaisy said:

I would never put a pain inflecting device on a dog. If it was so effective, why is there not one for toddlers?

Coyote rolls can prevent our dog from jumping the fence. Making yourself and the games you are playing with her interesting will keep her attention and in your yard. Never saw a dog jump the fence while playing with their owner. Recall training can help retrieve your dog should he get out.

I have two medium size dogs and live in an apartment. There are lots of things you can do to provide exercise for your dog.

Are you really serious? There is a huge difference between humans and animals. If you can't see that then I just shake my head. Dogs have certain drives that humans don't. These drives are what make them do what they do. Humans have higher functioning brains than a dog and we can communicate with children using the same language. Dogs don't understand logic or reason. You need to recognize the dogs drives and use them to get the desired behavior. Usually using their drive to eat is enough when teaching the basic obedience (rewarding the right behavior with a treat), but sometimes there are other challenges that need another approach. How do you think mother dogs keep their pups in line when teaching them? She gives them a little bite to the neck. Used appropriately, and at the lowest setting to be effective, e-collars are perfectly safe and do not inflict great amounts of pain. It's a small reminder that simulates what the mother dog does.

[CrazyDaisy]

On 7/7/2014 JeanLouiseFinch said:

On 7/7/2014 CrazyDaisy said:

I would never put a pain inflecting device on a dog. If it was so effective, why is there not one for toddlers?

Coyote rolls can prevent our dog from jumping the fence. Making yourself and the games you are playing with her interesting will keep her attention and in your yard. Never saw a dog jump the fence while playing with their owner. Recall training can help retrieve your dog should he get out.

I have two medium size dogs and live in an apartment. There are lots of things you can do to provide exercise for your dog.

Are you really serious? There is a huge difference between humans and animals. If you can't see that then I just shake my head. Dogs have certain drives that humans don't. These drives are what make them do what they do. Humans have higher functioning brains than a dog and we can communicate with children using the same language. Dogs don't understand logic or reason. You need to recognize the dogs drives and use them to get the desired behavior. Usually using their drive to eat is enough when teaching the basic obedience (rewarding the right behavior with a treat), but sometimes there are other challenges that need another approach. How do you think mother dogs keep their pups in line when teaching them? She gives them a little bite to the neck. Used appropriately, and at the lowest setting to be effective, e-collars are perfectly safe and do not inflict great amounts of pain. It's a small reminder that simulates what the mother dog does.

When was the last time a toddler understood logic and reason, no matter what language used. Mothers dogs are right there next to puppies to make the corrections, that is how they learn. Same with mothers of toddlers, they are there to make the corrections. They do not rely on electric shocks to control and correct their children.

I stand by my statement. Inflecting pain is not acceptable. How do you know it is not "great amount of pain" to a dog on the lowest setting. Different people can tolerate different levels of pain, why not dogs. How do you now one shock will not traumatize the dog (have seen it). Or even more likely the dogs "drive" will allow them to ignore the pain at any setting and the behavior continues. Hard to believe with a "higher functioning brain" people can not find ways to contain and train there pets (who they chose to live with them not the other way around) without the inflecting pain.

[Kachina624]

On 7/7/2014 RedConvertibleGirl said:

I would never use them. Your dog may not leave the yard but that will not prevent other animals from coming in the yard. I think dogs should have a secured fenced yard. I think the better solution would be to worth with her to not jump the fence you currently have.

Good luck with that!

[JeanLouiseFinch]

On 7/7/2014 CrazyDaisy said:

On 7/7/2014 JeanLouiseFinch said:

On 7/7/2014 CrazyDaisy said:

I would never put a pain inflecting device on a dog. If it was so effective, why is there not one for toddlers?

Coyote rolls can prevent our dog from jumping the fence. Making yourself and the games you are playing with her interesting will keep her attention and in your yard. Never saw a dog jump the fence while playing with their owner. Recall training can help retrieve your dog should he get out.

I have two medium size dogs and live in an apartment. There are lots of things you can do to provide exercise for your dog.

Are you really serious? There is a huge difference between humans and animals. If you can't see that then I just shake my head. Dogs have certain drives that humans don't. These drives are what make them do what they do. Humans have higher functioning brains than a dog and we can communicate with children using the same language. Dogs don't understand logic or reason. You need to recognize the dogs drives and use them to get the desired behavior. Usually using their drive to eat is enough when teaching the basic obedience (rewarding the right behavior with a treat), but sometimes there are other challenges that need another approach. How do you think mother dogs keep their pups in line when teaching them? She gives them a little bite to the neck. Used appropriately, and at the lowest setting to be effective, e-collars are perfectly safe and do not inflict great amounts of pain. It's a small reminder that simulates what the mother dog does.

When was the last time a toddler understood logic and reason, no matter what language used. Mothers dogs are right there next to puppies to make the corrections, that is how they learn. Same with mothers of toddlers, they are there to make the corrections. They do not rely on electric shocks to control and correct their children.

I stand by my statement. Inflecting pain is not acceptable. How do you know it is not "great amount of pain" to a dog on the lowest setting. Different people can tolerate different levels of pain, why not dogs. How do you now one shock will not traumatize the dog (have seen it). Or even more likely the dogs "drive" will allow them to ignore the pain at any setting and the behavior continues. Hard to believe with a "higher functioning brain" people can not find ways to contain and train there pets (who they chose to live with them not the other way around) without the inflecting pain.

Again...just SMH. Have your opinion and I'll have mine. You've obviously made up your mind without really understanding the proper way of using them. But if professional trainers recommend them, that has to say something - especially when they aren't being paid to do so, but base their recommendation on results.

[CrazyDaisy]

On 7/11/2014 JeanLouiseFinch said:

On 7/7/2014 CrazyDaisy said:

On 7/7/2014 JeanLouiseFinch said:

On 7/7/2014 CrazyDaisy said:

I would never put a pain inflecting device on a dog. If it was so effective, why is there not one for toddlers?

Coyote rolls can prevent our dog from jumping the fence. Making yourself and the games you are playing with her interesting will keep her attention and in your yard. Never saw a dog jump the fence while playing with their owner. Recall training can help retrieve your dog should he get out.

I have two medium size dogs and live in an apartment. There are lots of things you can do to provide exercise for your dog.

Are you really serious? There is a huge difference between humans and animals. If you can't see that then I just shake my head. Dogs have certain drives that humans don't. These drives are what make them do what they do. Humans have higher functioning brains than a dog and we can communicate with children using the same language. Dogs don't understand logic or reason. You need to recognize the dogs drives and use them to get the desired behavior. Usually using their drive to eat is enough when teaching the basic obedience (rewarding the right behavior with a treat), but sometimes there are other challenges that need another approach. How do you think mother dogs keep their pups in line when teaching them? She gives them a little bite to the neck. Used appropriately, and at the lowest setting to be effective, e-collars are perfectly safe and do not inflict great amounts of pain. It's a small reminder that simulates what the mother dog does.

When was the last time a toddler understood logic and reason, no matter what language used. Mothers dogs are right there next to puppies to make the corrections, that is how they learn. Same with mothers of toddlers, they are there to make the corrections. They do not rely on electric shocks to control and correct their children.

I stand by my statement. Inflecting pain is not acceptable. How do you know it is not "great amount of pain" to a dog on the lowest setting. Different people can tolerate different levels of pain, why not dogs. How do you now one shock will not traumatize the dog (have seen it). Or even more likely the dogs "drive" will allow them to ignore the pain at any setting and the behavior continues. Hard to believe with a "higher functioning brain" people can not find ways to contain and train there pets (who they chose to live with them not the other way around) without the inflecting pain.

Again...just SMH. Have your opinion and I'll have mine. You've obviously made up your mind without really understanding the proper way of using them. But if professional trainers recommend them, that has to say something - especially when they aren't being paid to do so, but base their recommendation on results.

You are correct I have made up my mind because I do know how they work - with fear and pain. I do not know which professional trainers you truly know that recommend them, unless you are buying into commercials. Every professional trainer I actually know and follow cringe when you mention these quick fix tricks and devices, they erode the relationship between you and your dog. Whatever you choose to do with your dog is up to you, however whenever I am asked I will continue to provide my opinion -- there are better ways to control and train you dog than through fear and pain.