Dogs in the grocery store - Page 13

itiswhatitis · ‎05-27-2016

@Moonchilde wrote:
@itiswhatitis wrote:
@151949 wrote:
When we are in Pa we stay in a very small town with only one grocery store. There is a very large plan here where they have senior housing from independant homes up to skilled nursing and there is a daily bus to the grocery store. Lately we have noticed a lot of people in the store with dogs in their grocery carts. What the heck???? One dog I saw was very dirty and smelled terrible. He was beside me at the deli counter. So I asked the manager about it and she said they are "service dogs" and the law says they are allowed. i doubted this and looked it up. Actually only guide dogs for the blind are allowed and even then not if they are in an area where food could be contaminated. It is a federal law - as grocery stores are under the Department of Agriculture -that pets are not allowed in grocery stores and "emotional support" dogs whose only qualification is obtained from the internet are not service dogs but are, in fact, just pets. It seems that these individuals are just constantly pushing the limits over this and every time no one pushes back they just go further. I saw one wearing a diaper in the shopping cart -- gross!!! How far are we as a society going to allow with this?
I have absolutely no problem with dogs who are with their owners to help guide them if they are legally blind. The Americans with Disabilities Act, allows for accommodations for indviduals with disabilities. It's a federally mandated law that usurps State law everywhere.

And as an aside, while reading the two links I posted, I learned that the ADA Federal law supercedes any Public Health or similar type organization's laws. ADA trumps any other Federal organization. So the supermarkets have to tread lightly. The real problem is that no one is required to prove it IS a bona fide service animal with special training and the store isn't allowed to ask.

I too have no issues with a *service* animal *trained* to perform specific tasks or functions accompanything a handicapped individual. I'd also cut slack for those who need PTSD emotional support dogs.

I do have a problem with people who feel they can't/don't want to ever leave mummy's precious alone for an hour and MUST bring them EVERYWHERE, who happily LIE about it and claim a specialness for their animal that it does not have, in order to be able to never have it out of their sight just because that's what they WANT, not need.

I don't know if I am qualified to distinguish from those who can't bear to leave their pets home just because. I can only tell a service dog who aids the Blind. Don't think I would even know how to recognize someone with a service dog who has been diagnosed with PTSD. In my case, if that information is not offered, I'd never know.

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Moonchilde · ‎05-23-2010

@itiswhatitis wrote:
@Moonchilde wrote:
@itiswhatitis wrote:
@151949 wrote:
When we are in Pa we stay in a very small town with only one grocery store. There is a very large plan here where they have senior housing from independant homes up to skilled nursing and there is a daily bus to the grocery store. Lately we have noticed a lot of people in the store with dogs in their grocery carts. What the heck???? One dog I saw was very dirty and smelled terrible. He was beside me at the deli counter. So I asked the manager about it and she said they are "service dogs" and the law says they are allowed. i doubted this and looked it up. Actually only guide dogs for the blind are allowed and even then not if they are in an area where food could be contaminated. It is a federal law - as grocery stores are under the Department of Agriculture -that pets are not allowed in grocery stores and "emotional support" dogs whose only qualification is obtained from the internet are not service dogs but are, in fact, just pets. It seems that these individuals are just constantly pushing the limits over this and every time no one pushes back they just go further. I saw one wearing a diaper in the shopping cart -- gross!!! How far are we as a society going to allow with this?
I have absolutely no problem with dogs who are with their owners to help guide them if they are legally blind. The Americans with Disabilities Act, allows for accommodations for indviduals with disabilities. It's a federally mandated law that usurps State law everywhere.

And as an aside, while reading the two links I posted, I learned that the ADA Federal law supercedes any Public Health or similar type organization's laws. ADA trumps any other Federal organization. So the supermarkets have to tread lightly. The real problem is that no one is required to prove it IS a bona fide service animal with special training and the store isn't allowed to ask.

I too have no issues with a *service* animal *trained* to perform specific tasks or functions accompanything a handicapped individual. I'd also cut slack for those who need PTSD emotional support dogs.

I do have a problem with people who feel they can't/don't want to ever leave mummy's precious alone for an hour and MUST bring them EVERYWHERE, who happily LIE about it and claim a specialness for their animal that it does not have, in order to be able to never have it out of their sight just because that's what they WANT, not need.
I don't know if I am qualified to distinguish from those who can't bear to leave their pets home just because. I can only tell a service dog who aids the Blind. Don't think I would even know how to recognize someone with a service dog who has been diagnosed with PTSD. In my case, if that information is not offered, I'd never know.

Which is precisely how and why people do it and get away with it - because no "proof" is required from anyone.

But a man or woman 30s to 50s who is accompanied by a medium-sized to large-ish dog is much more likely to be a PTSD sufferer than a 60+ year old woman with a Yorkie or a chihuahua in her tote or sitting in a cart basket. Yet no one dare question granny & precious.

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SahmIam · ‎04-16-2010

UNLESS it is a service dog (usually wearing garb or a vest), I don't want them NOR cats, birds, ferrets are any other animal except humans in the grocery store.

itiswhatitis · ‎05-27-2016

@Moonchilde wrote:
@itiswhatitis wrote:
@Moonchilde wrote:
@itiswhatitis wrote:
@151949 wrote:
When we are in Pa we stay in a very small town with only one grocery store. There is a very large plan here where they have senior housing from independant homes up to skilled nursing and there is a daily bus to the grocery store. Lately we have noticed a lot of people in the store with dogs in their grocery carts. What the heck???? One dog I saw was very dirty and smelled terrible. He was beside me at the deli counter. So I asked the manager about it and she said they are "service dogs" and the law says they are allowed. i doubted this and looked it up. Actually only guide dogs for the blind are allowed and even then not if they are in an area where food could be contaminated. It is a federal law - as grocery stores are under the Department of Agriculture -that pets are not allowed in grocery stores and "emotional support" dogs whose only qualification is obtained from the internet are not service dogs but are, in fact, just pets. It seems that these individuals are just constantly pushing the limits over this and every time no one pushes back they just go further. I saw one wearing a diaper in the shopping cart -- gross!!! How far are we as a society going to allow with this?
I have absolutely no problem with dogs who are with their owners to help guide them if they are legally blind. The Americans with Disabilities Act, allows for accommodations for indviduals with disabilities. It's a federally mandated law that usurps State law everywhere.

And as an aside, while reading the two links I posted, I learned that the ADA Federal law supercedes any Public Health or similar type organization's laws. ADA trumps any other Federal organization. So the supermarkets have to tread lightly. The real problem is that no one is required to prove it IS a bona fide service animal with special training and the store isn't allowed to ask.

I too have no issues with a *service* animal *trained* to perform specific tasks or functions accompanything a handicapped individual. I'd also cut slack for those who need PTSD emotional support dogs.

I do have a problem with people who feel they can't/don't want to ever leave mummy's precious alone for an hour and MUST bring them EVERYWHERE, who happily LIE about it and claim a specialness for their animal that it does not have, in order to be able to never have it out of their sight just because that's what they WANT, not need.
I don't know if I am qualified to distinguish from those who can't bear to leave their pets home just because. I can only tell a service dog who aids the Blind. Don't think I would even know how to recognize someone with a service dog who has been diagnosed with PTSD. In my case, if that information is not offered, I'd never know.

Which is precisely how and why people do it and get away with it - because no "proof" is required from anyone.

But a man or woman 30s to 50s who is accompanied by a medium-sized to large-ish dog is much more likely to be a PTSD sufferer than a 60+ year old woman with a Yorkie or a chihuahua in her tote or sitting in a cart basket. Yet no one dare question granny & precious.

Aren't there certain dog types that aide persons with disabilities other than blindness? I can't imagine a chichuahua being one. They're too feisty. Maybe one way to tell is to distinguish certain breeds (not all dogs) can be trained to assist humans with disabilities. Sure they bring companionship and love, but the dogs we're discussing have the right temperament and have been trained to help their owners.

Don't know for sure, but it could be a start?

*Call Tyrone*

Lila Belle · ‎01-24-2013

I'd rather see a dog in a cart than a little one in a diaper...But that's just me.

tansy · ‎01-02-2011

@Lila Belle wrote:
I'd rather see a dog in a cart than a little one in a diaper...But that's just me.

LOL...that's not just you, @Lila Belle.

tends2dogs · ‎05-08-2010

@MalteseMomma wrote:
@151949, if you google ," germs on grocery carts" you will see a lot worse germs than dogs provide...............

I find it wonderful these people can take their beloved dogs shopping with them.I hope that spreads everywhere.

@MalteseMomma and @151949 How is this any worse than a child sitting in the seat of a cart with a wet (or worse) diaper eating something the mother has taken off a shelf and opened up for their kid to eat while shopping????

I agree there are worse things than a dog in a shopping cart. @151949 I find it hard to believe you had a dog as a pet. You don't seem very tolerant toward animals. JMHO

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151949 · ‎03-09-2010

I love dogs - I am intolerant of bizarre pet owners who can't tell the difference between a pet and a child. Or who are too lazy to properly train their animals.

tends2dogs · ‎05-08-2010

@151949 wrote:
@Lipstickdiva wrote:
I cannot tell you the number of times I've noticed a small dog inside a woman's handbag or small carrier, in a cart as I'm grocery shopping.

I've never seen walking a dog through the grocery store.

I know dogs are allowed in our Home Depot. You can walk right in with them.
Most of the ones I have seen are in the child seat of the grocery cart - not on a leash or restrained in any way. Could bite anyone, jump out of the cart - who knows! AND it is against the law for a reason - for the public welfare.I love dogs but this is disgusting. One man was walking around with a golden retreiver just shedding all over the place.

@151949 You actually saw hair shedding all over the place? If you reach toward or across a dog, I suppose if they are a biter, they could bite you.........so could a child. A dog sitting in a shopping cart? Disgusting? You love dogs? Something here doesn't go together.

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tends2dogs · ‎05-08-2010

@Ms X wrote:
@CelticCrafter wrote:
@QueenDanceALot wrote:
What about people who sneeze and cough in the produce aisle? Or at the salad bar?

Oh lord, one day I was in the bakery aisle, saw a woman open the door on the roll case, cough into the case and then proceed to take her rolls out and shut the door.

I don't remember if I actually wanted fresh rolls that day but after seeing that, no I didn't...
Gross! I hate it when the cashier has a cold and sniffles and puts her hands up to her mouth and nose and then handles the food. It is just so gross.

@Ms X I actually handed a cashier my hand sanitizer at Walmart because I watched as she checked out the customer ahead of me. She was sneezing, sniffing, wiping her nose, etc. I had to or walk out I was so grossed out. It was that or go home and sterilize everything in my bags!