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dooBdoo · ‎06-27-2010

@ThinkingOutLoud wrote:
@Mindy D wrote:
@ThinkingOutLoud wrote:
What is quoted above only talks of cases. Keep in mind there's a big difference between cases and deaths. In point - saw this a few days ago -
New public England study of delta variant shows 44 deaths out of 53,822 (.08%)
@ThinkingOutLoud @Thank you. I didn't post about deaths, because my post is about the increase in delta variant cases.

This is my point. With only focusing on cases, the info seems to be more about spreading fear/pushing vaccines. When info is ommitted, that's telling.

@ThinkingOutLoud, I wanted to ask about the part of @Mindy D's post, missing from your quote, in which she asked about your source:

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"@Mindy D wrote:

@ThinkingOutLoud @Thank you. I didn't post about deaths, because my post is about the increase in delta variant cases. Chances could be that the vaccines will protect against deaths. 🙏 I'd like to see more about morbidity among vaccinated persons versus unvaccinated persons.

What is New public England? Was this study one conducted in England? I'd like to read it. "

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If it's not too much trouble, I, too would like to know what the "New public England" is? I was trying to look it up online but not finding a match. Thanks. 😊

Few things reveal your intellect and your generosity of spirit—the parallel powers of your heart and mind—better than how you give feedback.~Maria Popova

Mindy D · ‎05-23-2010

@ThinkingOutLoud wrote:
@Mindy D wrote:
@ThinkingOutLoud wrote:
What is quoted above only talks of cases. Keep in mind there's a big difference between cases and deaths. In point - saw this a few days ago -
New public England study of delta variant shows 44 deaths out of 53,822 (.08%)
@ThinkingOutLoud @Thank you. I didn't post about deaths, because my post is about the increase in delta variant cases.

This is my point. With only focusing on cases, the info seems to be more about spreading fear/pushing vaccines. When info is ommitted, that's telling.

@ThinkingOutLoud @I assure you that I'm not pushing vaccines or trying to spread fear. The info that isn't included is because it's not the subject of the post and because this is not what I've investigated for this post. When I find any information about deaths from the delta variant, whether low in numbers or high in numbers, amongst vaccinated or unvaccinated, I'll post it. I strive to avoid bias. Not everyone has an ulterior motive or agenda or is purposefully omitting information to slant toward an agenda. I am definitely not interested in omission for this purpose. That's why I would like to know what New public England is. I want to read the study. If you are interested, I do have a lengthy report from the English government on all variants of concern as of late June, 2021.

Here's the British publication on the variants of concern. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/9974...

On another note...After giving all your posts some thought, I realized something. Even if your contention is true about fear or implied slant by omission, readers could derive two opposing takes; the information could lead to readers thinking that vaccination is not good, and they should avoid vaccination, because now the vaccinations are not as effective against the delta variant as they are against other variants or readers could think just the opposite, that vaccinations are good because they still provide good protection against the delta variant and they should get vaccinated to get this protection against the delta variant, especially in light of the increased transmissibility of the delta variant.

Mindy D · ‎05-23-2010

@ThinkingOutLoud wrote:
What is quoted above only talks of cases. Keep in mind there's a big difference between cases and deaths. In point - saw this a few days ago -
New public England study of delta variant shows 44 deaths out of 53,822 (.08%)

@ThinkingOutLoud @Do you mean Public Health England?

Mindy D · ‎05-23-2010

@ThinkingOutLoud wrote:
@skatting44 wrote:
next we'll be hearing abt Lambda variant that is prevalent in Chile. Also it has to be an inaccuracy that so far no cases in the US despite thousands of new people from all over the world entering the US on a regular basis .
Yep. Wish people would put 2 and 2 together and see how one-sided things seem to be. (trying to figure out how to word things...)

@ThinkingOutLoud @It does seem one sided, because there's not enough out yet to post about a more complete picture. I do see how things could appear this way. Your logic doesn't escape me and I can see how you have reached your point.

Susan Louise · ‎03-14-2010

A hospital in Springfield, Missouri is currently overwhelmed with patients with the delta variant. I read “out of ventilators” & hospital staff are “exhausted”

Oy...it's not even near Fall/Winter yet and the surges have only just begun.

JamandBread · ‎06-24-2021

@Susan Louise wrote:
A hospital in Springfield, Missouri is currently overwhelmed with patients with the delta variant. I read “out of ventilators” & hospital staff are “exhausted”

Oy...it's not even near Fall/Winter yet and the surges have only just begun.

I think Missouri is less than 40% vaccinated. I have a feeling this will be the new normal until we've reached herd immunity.

We are not flying this year or going to large outdoor gatherings (which usually start in the Fall here). I also watch the vax rates for the different areas we will vacation in over the summer.

I think we have a ways to go before we can feel completely comfortable.

On It · ‎03-15-2021

@Mindy D Please keep posting your research. I find it most informative and that you are typically well ahead of my news sources. I appreciate your efforts and willingness to share the latest facts with us.

Mindy D · ‎05-23-2010

@ThinkingOutLoud From your post, "New public England study of delta variant shows 44 deaths out of 53,822 (.08%)" as stemming from a tweet by Rand Paul. Mr. Paul had posted with a typo, erroneously citing "New public England" instead of Public Health England.

I have tracked down the data from which your source derived his information. His data does in fact come from Public Health England. There were 117 deaths out of 92,029 deaths from the delta variant. This is 0.13%.

I have also been able to locate the source or sources for your quote as coming from Twitter or The Washington Times.

From Twitter:

Senator Rand Paul Jun 29

"Don’t let the fearmongers win. New public England study of delta variant shows 44 deaths out of 53,822 (.08%) in unvaccinated group. Hmmm."

Paul's quote can also be seen in The Washington Times article "Rand Paul rips delta variant 'fearmongers,' cites .08% death..."

From the report from PUBLIC HEALTH ENGLAND (which uses Paul's own souce)

"SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in England
Technical briefing 17"
25 June 2021
This briefing provides an update on previous briefings up to 18 June 2021

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/9974...

@On It @JamandBread @dooBdoo @ThinkingOutLoud @liliblu @@@@I went to a lot of trouble to track down all the original sources here. I have found the source for the information cited by

NOTE:I was trying to check and/or correct if I mistakenly attributed something to Susan Louise that should have been from Thinking Out Loud, but the post is not here now. Whoever is was said re her source "I read per Dr Eric Feigl-Ding and KCTV5...there is a video." Investing further, I decided to find out what Dr. Feigl-Ding actually said. I have not found this yet, but I did find some interesting information from him that I've added below.

Dr. Feigl-Ding is an epidemiologist that posts frequently about the delta variant. Many of his tweets discuss the seriousness of the variant and in this tweet he discusses deaths noting that the delta variant was responsible for 45% of delta variant deaths occurred IN FULLY VACCINATED persons in one week, from June 8-14.

Vivian · ‎03-11-2010

For more sources, check out FOX or CNN, depending on your preferences, or the CDC or medical websites associated with reputable institutions, e.g., Mayo Clinic. For those who just want a quick summary, here's one:

https://news.yahoo.com/dozen-us-states-now-high-213415460.html