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[lgfan]

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@tansy wrote:

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@THEY CallMe Mr Wilkes wrote:

I don't consider it "creepy" in all cases.

For example, I fully support and endorse the death penalty for Luigi Mangione,  particularly given the video evidence of his premeditated,  cold-blooded, terroristic assassination and slaughter.

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I am against the death penalty. Life in prison serves justice.

What is truly creepy about Mangione's case is his adoring female fans. 

@THEY CallMe Mr Wilkes 

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It doesn't surprise me that Mangione has adoring female fans.  Ted Bundy, Charles Manson and the Menendez brothers have/had their own female fan base.  It amazes me in what women find attractive.

[THEY CallMe Mr Wilkes]

Multiple local news stations interviewed the young women standing in line for hours in the cold outside the courthouse for entry to his pretrial evidentiary hearing.

They all used words describing him as hot and cute.

Truly disturbing,  indeed.

[Tinkrbl44]

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@lgfan wrote:

I was reading that someone dug up an old podcast interview that Nick Reiner gave stating that he faked mental illness to get drugs in drug rehabilitation places.  He said when he wasn't given drugs he would throw a rock through a window and become violent.  He then would get medication for mental illness from the staff.  This makes me wonder if he is truly mentally ill or he has been faking it all along to get what he wants.

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@lgfan 

In many situations, I'd agree with you, but not where Nick is concerned.

Nick was getting a monthly allowance of something like $10k a month. 

He could buy anything he wanted.

Nick didn't need to manipulate or con anyone to give him whatever he wanted. 

Same situation as Matthew Perry.  

[Cakers3]

@THEY CallMe Mr Wilkes

You are missing the point. The fans just didn't say he was hot and cute. They carried signs demanding his release. They applauded any setback with the prosecution and cheered anything favoring his possible release.

Hot and cute. How mature. While the family is left without a loved one.

Are they changing anything? Of course not. Guarantee they do not even know what the whole story is about-and there's the problem.

Talk about uneducated people.🙄

[Isobel Archer]

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@Tinkrbl44 wrote:

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@Linmo wrote:

Because of the special circumstances, if convicted, he will either face life in prison without parole or the death penalty.  I don't think his family would want him put to death.  I don't think that his deceased parents would want that either.  I hope he is sent to a facility for the rest of his life where he can receive treatment for whatever issues caused him to commit this heinous crime.

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@Linmo 

ITA ... there's really no circumstances under which they could ever let him out walking around again after his long history with mental illness. 

Someone will always have to be monitoring him.

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But is that how it actually works?  We seem to hear all the time about people who have been released from mental health treatment who then go on to commit further crimes - due to their continued mental illness.

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If someone takes their medication and appears to be OK as long as they do that (and in treatment, they wouldn't -or shouldn't have access to other street drugs), can the facility still keep them or do they end up letting them out?

[Estellee]

Many people with a beef against insurance companies are applauding what Mangione did, unbelievable!

[Tinkrbl44]

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@Isobel Archer wrote:

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@Tinkrbl44 wrote:

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@Linmo wrote:

Because of the special circumstances, if convicted, he will either face life in prison without parole or the death penalty.  I don't think his family would want him put to death.  I don't think that his deceased parents would want that either.  I hope he is sent to a facility for the rest of his life where he can receive treatment for whatever issues caused him to commit this heinous crime.

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@Linmo 

ITA ... there's really no circumstances under which they could ever let him out walking around again after his long history with mental illness. 

Someone will always have to be monitoring him.

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But is that how it actually works?  We seem to hear all the time about people who have been released from mental health treatment who then go on to commit further crimes - due to their continued mental illness.

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If someone takes their medication and appears to be OK as long as they do that (and in treatment, they wouldn't -or shouldn't have access to other street drugs), can the facility still keep them or do they end up letting them out?

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@Isobel Archer 

Funny you should mention that ...

Years ago, I worked for a large healthcare company and sat next to one of the founders at a holiday luncheon.

The conversation at the table had turned to people released from mental hospitals, and what happened next.

If a mentally ill person is admitted to a facility and treated with the right meds, they can actually seem totally "normal".   Health evaluations confirm that this person is able to function in society and is released.

The problem is that, after being released, many tend to stop taking their meds because they think they are "fine" and don't need them anymore.  Then, all ******-o breaks loose in their lives.   

It's often very hard to corral people off their meds back into treatment, and they have legal rights. 

The suggestion was made about having them in some sort of out-patient facility or where they check in weekly ... sort of like a prisoner out on parole.   

The opinion at the table was that it actually could work for some, but the implementation was a lot trickier than you think.  

Well, after all is said and done with Nick Reiner, the whole treatment of mentally ill should be re-addressed.   It's obviously not working.  

[shoekitty]

@Tinkrbl44   getting mentally ill to take meds is heck!  They have the right to refuse medication in or out of a mental facility. UNLESS COURT  MANDATED.  It is hard to even try a person who is mentally ill.... to the point where if they take meds they are reasonably good and sane, if they don't, they are certifiable!   In jail awaiting trial, if on meds they are different when in court.    If found mentally ill at time of crime , they do sentence to hospital.   here it is usually Atascadero. If sentenced to life without parole, it is just that.  It can depend on type of crime. Also, they know those who will take meds when released, and those that will not. I can tell you now if that have BiPolar, or paranoid schitzophrenia...they won't. It is almost proven.  I might just guess Nick had a bit of planning in there somehow. Maybe it was crime of passion, but he thought to get motel, wash up,new clothes,  and, hide from law. That doesn't mean he isn't mentally ill big time. There are those who go into what they call blond rages, thise are truely dangerous individuals.   We don't know what went on.  I think the fact family said to not judge yet.  the fact  they are dispersing money from parents trust to pay trust lawyer shows they know a heck of a lot more than we do. 

it will be interesting to hear medical reports, from experts who examined him. And those professionals who have taken scare of him. The crime was so savage, and personal, and so many circumstances surrounding Nick and his decent into murder.     I am confident, being such a high profile case, it will be dealt with top notch lawyers and Judge. With so much notoriety, I am sure the sentence will be well thought out. We hope anyway!!