Re: Ashley judd

KingstonsMom · ‎03-09-2010

I thought so too, that's so much easier on the family, finding you like you just went to sleep and didn't wake up.

My brother chose a gun too and the mental images just can't get out of my mind/memories.

You never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have.

Lucky Charm · ‎03-09-2010

@Pecky wrote:
Ashley had said in the interview that her mother asked if she would stay with her and she said yes. Why would she want her daughter to find her like that? I just can't understand. That will haunt her daughter the rest of her life.

That is absolutely true. Ashley is defending her mother's disease, but no matter what, she is the one who first saw the horror of her mother's demise.

Naomi has spoken publicly about it, I am sure she has tried as many treatments as she could possibly try.

If not, then she, like some, don't do the treatments that may work. (It may all seem futile, perhaps, to the one suffering?)

But I do believe that Naomi was aware enough through her darkness that Ashley would be the one.

I hope that Ashley is getting help for what she has lived through. Her mother's suicide.

I know nothing about any books or articles she (Ashley) has written. I'm thinking that if Naomi has spoken publicly about her own childhood/upbringing/mother and sexual abuse, that Ashley should also be validated for her story/stories about her own upbringing.

Those stories may've put Naomi in a worse place--we wil never know.

But we do know that Ashley is the one who found her. That is the only fact we know about this right now.

Autopsy reports will be made public, too.

EastCoastGal · ‎03-09-2010

@Northray.... So "Some of us tho will just pull up our big girl pants and carry on ......" Oh! So there's a lot of us who just can't pull up our big girl pants and carry on?????? Very insulting to put it that way using those words. You don't know how much every person has been through! I'm a very strong person.. What's in my brain that prevents me from healing??? A lifetime of pain. Not everyone can be helped and l accept that BECAUSE I'm a strong person and I will continue to be..... I know my limits of what I can and cannot do... ----- Your delivery wasn't good with that one insulting sentence. Leave that sentence out and read more on how to be fully compassionate about mental illness.

patty17 · ‎05-28-2010

I can't believe that you might really think that Naomi wanted her daughter to find her, do you?

People that suffer from mental illness and opt for suicide are doing it because they can no longer live with the darkness and hopelessness they endure constantly.

Please don't judge. Try compassion.

If you have never experienced the lows of a depressive state of mind, you just simply cannot begin to understand that the mere "living" of your day to day life can be too much to bear.

I have experienced this personally but with medication, I have not felt any depression in over 20 years. Lucky me, for some, including my own daughter, meds and psychotherapy don't seem to be working.

It is an ugly, vicious disease and all of the "I love you's and we're here for you" although heard, are not a cure.

Trying to understand is a start with someone, but sometimes even the most thought out comments and offers of help aren't enough.

sunshine 919 · ‎12-22-2013

@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:
@BoopOMatic wrote:
Obviously Naomi used lethal means or she wouldn't be dead. The info would've come out eventually. Not sure why this called for a Diane Sawyer interview.
@BoopOMatic They could have chosen any reporter they trusted. Maybe they already had a good relationship with Sawyer.

Poor Ashley, to have made the discovery. 😢💔

She obviously feels comfortable and trusts Diane. I don't believe Ashley is the only one who has requested Diane in the past. Diane Sawyer seems very kind

Northray · ‎08-29-2013

@EastCoastGal wrote:
@Northray.... So "Some of us tho will just pull up our big girl pants and carry on ......" Oh! So there's a lot of us who just can't pull up our big girl pants and carry on?????? Very insulting to put it that way using those words. You don't know how much every person has been through! I'm a very strong person.. What's in my brain that prevents me from healing??? A lifetime of pain. Not everyone can be helped and l accept that BECAUSE I'm a strong person and I will continue to be..... I know my limits of what I can and cannot do... ----- Your delivery wasn't good with that one insulting sentence. Leave that sentence out and read more on how to be fully compassionate about mental illness.

I didn't intend to insult anyone or belittle anyone with mental illness -- but I knew someone would be because that is the nature of today's society and there is nothing I can do about that.

Yesterday I was clever, so I wanted to change the world. Today I am wise, so I am changing myself.

-Rumi

Greeneyedlady21 · ‎01-06-2015

@patty17 wrote:
I can't believe that you might really think that Naomi wanted her daughter to find her, do you?
People that suffer from mental illness and opt for suicide are doing it because they can no longer live with the darkness and hopelessness they endure constantly.
Please don't judge. Try compassion.
If you have never experienced the lows of a depressive state of mind, you just simply cannot begin to understand that the mere "living" of your day to day life can be too much to bear.
I have experienced this personally but with medication, I have not felt any depression in over 20 years. Lucky me, for some, including my own daughter, meds and psychotherapy don't seem to be working.
It is an ugly, vicious disease and all of the "I love you's and we're here for you" although heard, are not a cure.
Trying to understand is a start with someone, but sometimes even the most thought out comments and offers of help aren't enough.

Compassion and lack of judgement about mental health issues are both tough to come by on these forums.

"Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”

RedTop · ‎09-01-2010

My aunt shot herself at age 62. She went to her car, used a shotgun to deliver one shot straight thru the heart. No blood on her, no blood in the car.

Despite my love for my aunt, I carried a lot of anger for MANY years after her death, and just could not seem to let go of my feelings. And then there was the dream of her standing with my uncle, holding hands, both smiling, young and happy. I woke up with tears on my face and a load lifted in my heart. Deep within I know she found peace and that helped me make peace with the way she chose to end her life.

manny2 · ‎05-24-2010

@Northray wrote:
@Lipstickdiva wrote:
The reason why Ashley did this interview was because the information is going to come out and the family wanted to be the ones to put it out there and not have this story be a part of a rumor mill. Even on this thread people are gossiping.

Ashley didn't say anything about her mom trying to overdose and it not working. She said her mom used a weapon. She used a firearm.

It's sad to me that she needed to come out with this so soon after her mother's passing, knowing people would just gossip about it all. It's also sad to me that people feel such despair that they feel the only way out is to end their lives. This country has got to do better about mental health assistance.
The world has got to do better. As bad as it is here, we are still dealing with cultures that think there is no such thing as a mental illness at all but that it's a moral lack or possession or anything but not an ill brain.

We need to destigmatize mental illness as we did with alcoholism. And to a certain extent, we have. But to be fair, mental illness is complicated and the deep core truth of it is, aren't we all just a little broken in our brains sometimes. After all this life experience is hard. Some of us tho, will just pull up our big girl pants and carry on, but soooo many just cannot do that, something in the brain prevents them. We need to get to bottom of what in their brain prevents them (the medical world still doesn't know after all this time). Accept that, show compassion, and above all find treatments!

As for people gossiping about the circumstances. Duh. The Judds are in the public eye and we are all just people. Human beings are made to wonder and be curious and get with others who are wondering and curious about the same things. My grandmother used to always say don't put your life out there unless you want people to talk about you, because child they will, it cannot be helped. I'm one of these rare millennials that guards my privacy for that reason.

I hope you didn't intend to insult anyone. @Northray Depression has nothing to do with putting on big girl/boy pants. It is a very real mental illness with many different triggers. If someone that is clinically depressed could stop being depressed they would do it.

If you can pull up your big girl pants, and you are OK, then you are not clinically depressed. Be thankful.....

Mindy D · ‎05-23-2010

@SeaMaiden @It's not usually the case for Major Depressive Disorder, but it is often the case for Bipolr 1 Disorder, that a person can experience an irresistible compulsion to act on a suicidal impulse. (The suicides with MDD are often less compulsive.) I watched this happen to a relative of ours. The person did not want to die and called to get family to come over and physically prevent him from acting on the impulse. Family toook him in to be hospitalized. He had never had a depressive episode before this and had only experienced manic episodes. He has not had a second depressive episode since. He did not have a choice. He was experiencing a compulsion.
I found this eye opening to watch.

I have the same disorder Naomi had, Major Depressive Disorder, Severe, but in my case I take an anti depressant that works. I was not suicidal before the medicine worked and I did not experience any compulsions.

Naomi suffered with MDD, Severe, without the benefit of a working medication for years. She had tried many, many solutions and worked with many specialists. It's the most unrelenting torment. I think she could no longer take the degree of torment she was experiencing. She had asked Ashley to stay with her but Ashley had to briefly walk away. That's when it happened. This leads me to believe that Naimi experienced a compulsion to act. She had been trying to stop it by asking Ashley to stay with her. She had reached the limit. I don't think she was selfish at all. She lived in torture. May she rest In peace.