Re: Anyone else feeling the loss of not being able... - Page 11

Justice4all · ‎12-22-2013

Shopping and politics are intricately meshed

newziesuzie · ‎02-21-2014

@faeriemoon wrote:
It's election year and we have to settle for discussions about Lisa R's latest antics (time to move on), and other trivial nonsense.

Not really @faeriemoon, it turns out bad.

I like some of the trivia and light hearted

posts anyway.

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Alsee · ‎03-15-2010

Yes. It's the most important decision we face now. Also, there seems to be a shortage of intelligent, important topics.

We should be able to discuss whatever is on our minds and of importance to us.

Some fluff is fun, but there is more going on and I enjoy hearing other opinions on important and relevant topics.

Krimpette · ‎03-09-2010

I'm sorry, but I just don't see the need for politics to be discussed on a shopping channel forum. I find it hard to believe that it was the intent of QVC for the forums to become anything much more than shopping-related chats.

ValuSkr · ‎03-15-2014

From a commercial perspective, it's important that QVC is viewed as apolitical. Even though this is a forum, I'm sure they'll not allow politics to creep in.

Hayfield · ‎03-10-2010

This is QVC's forum, so it's their way or the highway, like it or not, there's nothing much you can do about it. I assume there are forums out there where you can discuss anything you want to discuss. This forum is not one of them.

Plaid Pants2 · ‎03-14-2015

@Alsee wrote:
Yes. It's the most important decision we face now. Also, there seems to be a shortage of intelligent, important topics.
We should be able to discuss whatever is on our minds and of importance to us.
Some fluff is fun, but there is more going on and I enjoy hearing other opinions on important and relevant topics.

Seeing how this is THEIR board, THEY get to make the rules.

It says right in the Standards,

"Do not initiate or engage in political discussions or discussions of a controversial nature"

nun ya · ‎03-09-2010

@dooBdoo wrote:

       I can understand @faeriemoon's feelings, since there have been some interesting political discussions now and then, and I've learned a great deal from some of the bright, knowledgeable posters here. I can understand why some do miss it, and others don't.

         As @Mominohio said, sometimes the moderators do allow a political thread (the caucus example).   Yes, they have policies in place -- but the standards have to be subjective because nothing is really that cut and dried.

        Also, in my opinion, the few posters who aren't classic "trolls" but who become abrasive, who attack the other posters instead of attacking the issue, don't seem to be self-aware.   As a result, they don't realize they are the problem instead of QVC's policies or moderators being the problem.

        As an example, if someone posts their opinion and then says "if others were 'adults' they'd understand or agree..." "what part of that don't you understand..." or uses sarcasm, stereotypes, personal insults, uses unattractive characterizations toward those with different views... the thread takes a turn away from the issue and becomes a personal fight.   Just take a step back from any threads which take on a contentious tone -- and notice who's respectful of others.   Notice which posts take personal pokes, put other posters down for even expressing their position, or who try to demean others. That's the key, right there.

        And then, as all of us have seen, some people take the hard feelings away from that thread, carry them like a torch, and continue the personal fight on other thread.   Grudges develop and they seem to take on a life of their own and live forever.

        I says a lot that we can't hold civil discussions about any topic, no matter how simple or uncontroversial it starts out.   That's something we should think about, in my opinion.

       At least on social media such as Facebook we know each other's name, we likely know the person in our real life, and no one is creating alternate nicknames to dive bomb threads and go after those they don't like.   This is one place moderation is to blame: on professionally-managed forums, the patterns of flamers are noted and alternate nicknames are also noted. Warnings are given, and those who repeat the problematic activity are banned.

        Since IP addresses aren't always static, it's not as easy as it used to be, but it can be (and is) done when owners and moderators make the time to do this.   (As a side note, we really should ignore the flamers and report them when we see them instead of allowing them to ruin discussions.   I know it's hard, but it's possible.   So all of us bear some of the blame in that respect, too, and I include myself in that.)

        That's my soapbox novel for the day.   And it's just my opinion and, clearly, others' mileage may vary.

Yes. I've noticed. Good post.

JJsMom · ‎03-10-2010

@Mominohio wrote:

Original post here (SeaMadien) dismisses the discussing of politics and makes it apparent that there is something wrong with doing so in any capacity. States that one is not in their right mind, and it can't be done in a civilized manner.

Those points are just not valid. Perhaps the conversations here often spiral into personal attacks, but that is not the nature of political or religious discussions among people of character and true interest in the topics. What usually happens is that whenever an opposite view is offered up, the lines are drawn, the names are called, the intimidation begins. And it is usually the same few who start it when the opposing view is introduced. There is a kind of gang that piles on, and the fun begins. And it certainly isn't reserved for politics.

Just because some people don't want to participate in a discussion of a particular nature, doesn't give them the right to demean or take that right away from others for doing so (not speaking of Q's right to not allow a topic on their forums, that is their right of course, but I'm talking about people here who think that because they don't want to, or are incapable of an intelligent discussion or debate on a topic, no one should find value or interest in it).

The best things we learn are from experience and from interactions with other people, including discussions and debates. Not everything can be learned from just reading and watching TV etc. Human interaction and the views and ideas of others, shared, debated, even heatedly and in less than perfect manner, are more valuable than some here want to give credit to.

That isn't what I got from her post at all. I understood it to mean she doesn't want to discuss it publicly and that it should be kept private. Openly espousing your political and/or religious views doesn't make you more intelligent or aware.

If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. ~ Desmond Tutu