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‎02-01-2014 01:41 PM
On 2/1/2014 Stardust2 said:DNA doesn't lie and her DNA was found on the victims bra clasp. DNA has convicted many people as well as released others for wrongful convictions.
That was disproven, as was the knife DNA for Kercher, as well as the bloody footprint being Rafaele's. They backtracked on that. It was Guede's shoe print of blood in the bathroom, which then contradicts one of his stories told to the police. He said he and Kercher had s ex, and he went to the bathroom and left. He said she was alive. Then how did his bloody footprint end up in the bathroom? The bra was contaminated a hundred times over before it even got to the police station.
‎02-01-2014 03:04 PM
Rain City Girl, you are being very patient indeed. I don't know how many times you will have to post the facts of the case for people to get it but evidently it will be over and over. You have explained the refuting of all the phony evidence many times. Doesn't anybody read a thread before they post??? DNA on her bra strap whoop de doo. They lived together. Anybody think she might have picked it up at one time or another???
I remember the frustration for those of us who followed the Arias trial closely. People kept coming up with the same misinformation time and time again. It is absurd.
I wouldn't trust ONE piece of evidence from the Italian authorities on this case. Anything that's in the press they probably made up or misrepresented her actual statements.
‎02-01-2014 03:04 PM
Rain City Girl, you are being very patient indeed. I don't know how many times you will have to post the facts of the case for people to get it but evidently it will be over and over. You have explained the refuting of all the phony evidence many times. Doesn't anybody read a thread before they post??? DNA on her bra strap whoop de doo. They lived together. Anybody think she might have picked it up at one time or another???
I remember the frustration for those of us who followed the Arias trial closely. People kept coming up with the same misinformation time and time again. It is absurd.
I wouldn't trust ONE piece of evidence from the Italian authorities on this case. Anything that's in the press they probably made up or misrepresented her actual statements.
‎02-01-2014 03:12 PM
and Rafaelle has been said to go to prison this time for 25 years, less than his girlfriend.
‎02-01-2014 04:46 PM
On 2/1/2014 beammeupscottie said:Rain City Girl, you are being very patient indeed. I don't know how many times you will have to post the facts of the case for people to get it but evidently it will be over and over. You have explained the refuting of all the phony evidence many times. Doesn't anybody read a thread before they post??? DNA on her bra strap whoop de doo. They lived together. Anybody think she might have picked it up at one time or another???
I remember the frustration for those of us who followed the Arias trial closely. People kept coming up with the same misinformation time and time again. It is absurd.
I wouldn't trust ONE piece of evidence from the Italian authorities on this case. Anything that's in the press they probably made up or misrepresented her actual statements.
I guess people believe what they want to believe. I believed the original news stories on it too, until I read the transcripts of both trials and learned that the prosecutor was controlling what went out to the public pre trial and on.
‎02-01-2014 04:57 PM
Rain ~ There was a rebroadcast yesterday of an interview with the prosecutor. And in it, he admitted to having a preconceived notion that Amanda and the BF committed the murder.....even before all the "evidence" came in....Really??? Very corrupt.
‎02-01-2014 05:39 PM
‎02-01-2014 05:48 PM
RCG, thanks for your long post (#9) about this. I haven't followed it and only heard last night that someone is already in jail for it.
Don't know why "the authorities" just won't let it go.
‎02-01-2014 07:28 PM
I just read this piece from ABC and I'm sorry but as much as RCG is somewhat informed about the case there's a lot of other evidence out there that she doesn't acknowledge:
One can understand those suspicions since both Sollecito's and Knox's accounts of where they were and what they did that night and morning changed many times, and some of that was not supported by objective evidence. In fact, Sollecito appears to have offered at least four different versions:
1) He originally told the police he was with Knox at her home on the day of the murder, and that he and Amanda went for a walk from her cottage before heading to his apartment for dinner. They watched a movie, he said, while making and eating dinner, spent the night on the computer and slept until about 10:30 a.m.
2) The next day he provided a very similar account to a reporter for the Sunday Mirror, but added that they went to a party before going back to his apartment (which would be a crucial detail).
3) When Sollecito was questioned by police he offered a new account: "Amanda and I went into town at around 6 p.m., but I don't remember what we did. We stayed there until around 8:30 p.m. or 9 p.m. At 9 p.m. I went home alone and Amanda said that she was going to Le Chic because she wanted to meet some friends. We said goodbye. I went home, I rolled myself a spliff and made some dinner, but I do not remember what I ate."
At about 11 p.m. he said his father called the house and Amanda had not yet returned. According to his statement, he spent the next two hours on the computer until Amanda arrived at 1 a.m. He also said, "In my previous statement I told a load of rubbish because Amanda had convinced me of her version of the facts and I didn't think about the inconsistencies."
4) In a prison diary, he seemed uncertain about that night's events, apparently stemming from having smoked marijuana at around 6 p.m. "
He wrote that he presumed that he and Amanda had done some grocery shopping before returning to his home around 8 p.m. to 8:30 p.m., where they smoked more pot. He doesn't remember what time he ate, but was certain he ate with Amanda. He remembered surfing the Internet, maybe watching a film, and that his father called him. He thinks Amanda went out to a pub where she often worked, but didn't recall for how long. On the other hand, he remembered that she told him later that the pub was closed.
5) At the end of the 2011 appeal Sollecito again stated that Knox was at his apartment that night. While he repeatedly said he spoke to his father around 11 p.m., there is no phone record of that call and there was no indication of any activity on his home computer after 9:10 p.m., when a movie on the computer ended and it seems there was not even any interaction with the laptop at that time. Furthermore, at 5:32 a.m. experts testified that someone unsuccessfully attempted to play an MP3 file on his computer followed by two more failed additional attempts. The individual switched to iTunes and played an MP3 file.
If true, both he and Amanda did not sleep until at least 10 as they both have claimed.
If Sollecito's memory of what happened that night seems muddled, Amanda Knox's appears to have been no clearer. She initially told police that she spent the whole night with Raffaele Sollecito at his apartment, and repeated this in an email to family and friends a few days after the murder. "After a little while of playing guitar me and raffael went to his house to watch movies and after to eat dinner and generally spend the evening and night indoors. we didn't go out. the next morning i woke up around 1030."
Knox indicated that she couldn't remember much about what happened at Sollecito's apartment that night because she had smoked marijuana. In two statements to police that were eventually deemed inadmissible, she pointed the finger of blame at bar owner Patrick Lumumba and placed herself at the scene of the crime. She later admitted that allegation against Lumumba was untrue, the result, she said, of undue pressure from police.
In one of those statements she claimed: "Yes we were in the house. We were drunk. ... Raffaele and I went into another room and then I heard screams. ... Patrick and Meredith were in Meredith's bedroom while I think I stayed in the kitchen. ... I can't remember how long they were together in the bedroom but the only thing I can say is that at a certain point I remember hearing Meredith's screams and I covered my ears."
In the other statement she offered a somewhat consistent account alleging that Lumumba and Meredith went together into Meredith's room while, "I think I stayed in the kitchen. I can't remember how long they were in the bedroom together, I can only say that at a certain point I heard Meredith screaming and I was so frightened I put my fingers in my ears. I don't remember anything after that, my head is really confused."
She said she had a lot to drink and fell asleep. In both statements she also said she recalled waking up at Sollecito's home and heading back to her house and finding the door open.
Putting aside the reliability (or lack thereof) of those statements, something important happened shortly thereafter. Knox was told Sollecito was not supporting her account of what happened. At that point, at 5:45 in the morning, after offering those different accounts through the night, she offered to write out a new statement in English. Knox seemed confused and uncertain about where she had been and what she had done.
It began with: "I have been told there is hard evidence saying that I was at the place of the murder of my friend when it happened. This, I want to confirm, is something that to me, if asked a few days ago, would be impossible. I know that Raffaele has placed evidence against me, saying that I was not with him on the night of Meredith's murder, but let me tell you this. In my mind there are things I remember and things that are confused.
She goes on: "What happened after I know does not match up with what Raffaele was saying, but this is what I remember. I told Raffaele that I didn't have to work and that I could remain at home for the evening. After that I believe we relaxed in his room together, perhaps I checked my email. Perhaps I read or studied or perhaps I made love to Raffaele. In fact, I think I did make love with him. However, I admit that this period of time is rather strange because I am not quite sure. I smoked marijuana with him and I might even have fallen asleep. These things I am not sure about and I know they are important to the case and to help myself, but in reality, I don't think I did much."
That seems to bolster her account but then she also appears to be preparing to incriminate Sollecito. "After dinner I noticed there was blood on Raffaele's hand, but I was under the impression that it was blood from the fish."
She then explains why her previous statements were unreliable: "In regards to this 'confession' that I made last night, I want to make clear that I'm very doubtful of the verity of my statements because they were made under the pressures of stress, shock and extreme exhaustion. Not only was I told I would be arrested and put in jail for 30 years, but I was also hit in the head when I didn't remember a fact correctly. I understand that the police are under a lot of stress, so I understand the treatment I received."
So she says her previous statements were unreliable and claims the language barrier made it even more difficult for her in those previous interviews.Fair enough.
Then she writes: "However, it was under this pressure and after many hours of confusion that my mind came up with these answers. In my mind I saw Patrick in flashes of blurred images. I saw him near the basketball court. I saw him at my front door. I saw myself cowering in the kitchen with my hands over my ears because in my head I could hear Meredith screaming. But I've said this many times so as to make myself clear: these things seem unreal to me, like a dream, and I am unsure if they are real things that happened or are just dreams my head has made to try to answer the questions in my head and the questions I am being asked. But the truth is, I am unsure about the truth and here's why:
1. The police have told me that they have hard evidence that places me at the house, my house, at the time of Meredith's murder. I don't know what proof they are talking about, but if this is true, it means I am very confused and my dreams must be real.
2. My boyfriend has claimed that I have said things that I know are not true. I KNOW I told him I didn't have to work that night. I remember that moment very clearly. I also NEVER asked him to lie for me. This is absolutely a lie. What I don't understand is why Raffaele, who has always been so caring and gentle with me, would lie about this. What does he have to hide? I don't think he killed Meredith, but I do think he is scared, like me. He walked into a situation that he has never had to be in, and perhaps he is trying to find a way out by disassociating himself with me."
She went on to repeatedly assert she knows she didn't kill Meredith. But how is it that neither of them could consistently say where they were and what they were doing only days earlier? Why is it so confusing? They would say the pressure from police got to them.
One thing that is corroborated is that a friend came to Sollecito's home around 8:40 p.m. and saw Amanda there. But they both also turned off their cell phones at around the same time between 8:30 and 9:00 p.m. on Nov. 1, something that was completely out of the ordinary for both of them. Why? So they wouldn't be bothered? Maybe. But the possible inconsistencies continue into the following morning.
A shop owner testified that he saw Amanda at 7:45 a.m the next morning waiting for his store to open and that she went immediately to the cleaning supplies. The defense argued his testimony was unreliable because he waited a year to come forward.
Both Knox and Sollecito claim to have slept until 10:00 a.m. or 10:30 a.m. and yet Solliceto's computer showed activity at 5:32 a.m.
Knox says she returned to her home at 10:30 .m. to take a shower. She said she had found the door open but went in anyway. She also stated she saw some drops of blood in the bathroom sink she shared with Meredith but assumed they were menstrual from one of her three roommates. She went into Filomena Romanelli and Laura Mezzetti's bathroom to blow dry her hair and saw what turned out to be Rudy Guede's feces in the toilet, but didn't flush it. She returned to Sollecito's home, she said because she became nervous.
At 12:08 p.m. Knox called her roommate Filomena Romanelli and apparently said that she was at their house but cell phone records seem to show she was likely still at Sollecito's home. She told Filomena about a break-in at the house and yet didn't notify the police. In her detailed letter home she says that at the point when she first went back to her house (at around 10:30 a.m.) she just assumed the door had been left open by one of her roommates, not a break-in. So if she had not been back at her house yet, as cell phone records seem to show, and was still at Sollecito's, would she have known about a break-in?
The pair was definitely at Knox's home around 12:30 p.m. on Nov. 2 because the Italian postal police showed up unannounced to inquire about and return Meredith's cell phone, which was found in the garden of a woman who lived nearby. At this point, no one had called the police and yet in her letter home two days after the murder, Knox claimed they called the police before the postal officers arrived. But cell phone records suggest that was not the case. And why wouldn't they have called the police as soon as they arrived if Knox had been so concerned about a break-in?
Maybe more important, in that letter home, Knox describes a panic that developed as she realized the house had been broken into.
"Raffael told me he wanted to see if he could break down Merediths door, he tried and cracked the door but he couldnt open it. it was then we decided to call the cops."
Phone records show that Sollecito called the cops at 12:51 p.m., after talking to his sister who had been on the police force.
Yet Amanda said "while we were waiting" for the police, the postal officers arrived. Since that does not appear to be true, it leads to more questions about whether Knox and Sollecito were going to call the police at all if the postal police had not happened to come to the door.
One thing that may have been proven is that the crime scene was staged to make it look like a break in. There were no signs that someone had entered from the outside and the broken window glass strongly suggests it was broken from the inside. Who would want to stage the scene? It led police to think it was someone with access to the house. Could it have been that Knox and Sollecito were just trying to cover up the fact that they were there that night when Rudy Guede arrived?
There was also extensive evidence that someone attempted to clean up the house after the murder -- and yet, if Guede was doing the cleaning, you would think he would have tried to wash away his DNA all over the scene or at least flush the toilet that he had used. It's possible that samples that appeared to have been of Knox's DNA mixed with the victim's (which the defense disputes) could have been the result of an effort to clean up the crime scene rather than involvement in the actual murder, as prosecutors allege.
So does all of this prove that Amanda Knox and Rafaele Sollecito were in the home the night Meredith Kercher was killed? No. And it certainly does not change the reality that the physical evidence linking them to the murder remains scant.
But it does at least explain why the police were and are suspicious, to say the least -- and provides some context in a case that most Americans view as cut-and-dry. The Italian authorities remain convinced more than one person was involved in the murder, but without any real motive, the evidence that either Knox or Sollecito were somehow involved remains very thin.
Amanda's written statement to police may say it all. She concluded with the line: "All I know is that I didn't kill Meredith, and so I have nothing but lies to be afraid of."
Maybe that is truer than she knew.
Dan Abrams is ABC News' Chief Legal Correspondent and Anchor of 'Nightline."
‎02-01-2014 07:57 PM
I agree with Opurra.
The Italian court system isn't doing this out of spite. They believe she is guilty.
Their justice system is very different from ours.
Convicted criminals are extradicted from the USA to Italy all the time.
I believe she is guilty too and needs to go back after her appeals are finished.
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