@terrier3 wrote:
@Stray wrote:
@ChynnaBlue- I really don't know what she did or didn't do but they do have a published harrassment policy; she didn't follow that. Today, with global businesses, it's not odd not to have an HR person and an HR person doesn't always handle these matters or at his level but there is usually an onbudsperson, EAP counselor or online process to report inpropriety. I know retaliation still happens but men are well educated today as to what is right or wrong. She seemed to be a difficult person to work with; she reported Doocy and he (Ailes) made a change for her....would someone like Ailes be so stupid to make inappropriate comments to her? I don't know the answer if he did or didn't and if he did, she should receive damages but she weakened her case by reporting this after the fact at a "seemingly" convenient time. I don't think she is a shrinking violet or meek....she is a well educated, savvy woman who did not have to be a victim if she was nor does any man or woman....yes, it's uncomfortable to do but once the process starts, you are protected by the organization and federal/state EEOC....a person of his wealth and fame, would not dare retaliate because that is hard evidence and the financial damages even higher....but, we will have to see how this plays out...
@StrayI think you might be missing the point. Almost 10 years ago, the Murdoch sons became alarmed about the direction the station was going in and wanted Ailes removed. In the power struggle, Rupert sided with Ailes and one of his sons too another job.
Now Rupert has turned the reins of his company over to his kids - he is transitioning, spending time with his new wife and getting out of the biz. His sons want Ailes out and want to change the direction of the news networks.
When women started speaking up, after 20 years of harassment from Ailes, the sons had the opening they needed to remove him - finally.
BTW - Ailes has retaliated against people his whole life - in every situation imaginable. He presided over Dirty Tricks back in the 70s.
I cannot even begin to understand how people defend him.
@terrier3- I have never defended Ailes....I handled employee conflict in my job and had been a victim of it myself. I have consistently said if he did it, he should pay damages and be fired. I have learned not to pre judge. Ailes has a home in the next town and I see him frequently and am not a fan. I am not saying GC was not telling the truth but her time in reporting makes me suspicious....there are laws protecting her and she is very savvy and most likely knows them....I don't know what Ailes did or did not do in the past re harassment but Ailes has not gotten along with the sons for years and a lot has to do with business, direction and personality clash. He was bought out of his contract because the longer it goes on is a public relations nightmare for Fox, a distraction and above all expensive for Fox legally. Their insurance will pay out GC if Ailes is found guilty so no skin off their nose....they are paying for expensive legal consultants and a bevy of other consultants. The Murdoch brothers don't care about GC or guilt or innocence of Ailes....it's about business and money and an excuse to get rid of someone they don't like and the old guard and old stale ideas. They aren't siding with GC nor do they care.....harassment suits are bad business.
I would never condone harassment but I never judge prima facie nor by what I read or learn about a person outside the legal written facts. GC wants this very public but a person should not be judged by the press when prominent, that is a basic legal right...her handling of the situation and under the advice of her publicity hound attorneys, well, she has made a big mistake....she lost round one already as it was kicked back to NY Federal Court, I believe, and the laws are different there; she filed in NJ for a reason but the harassment took place in NY .....and, NY Federal is busy and will probably kick it to arbitration....I have found most arbiters fair but they can't be swayed like a jury nor do they pre judge people like the public as demonstrated on this thread. I don't know if he did it in the case of GC...i am suspicious of GC and why she let the situation go on while her career was going fine but now that she is disgruntled, reports it....red flag
he may be a serial offender but I don't know that and we are speaking of GC only in this case...in psychology, you predict future behavior by past behavior but not in the legal sense or court of law....the most despicable person deserves a day in court and has nothing to do with innocence or guilt but that is our justice system.
I will leave the determination to the legal system. i look at it from the prospective of one who has handled hundreds if not thousands of such complaints; I was known to be fair and was put on the team because I was harassed but didn't carry bias in my work. I used a process, was guaranteed no retaliation and went on to become very successful in my career for many more years. There is no reason for any woman or man to endure hostile work place nor harassment daily....nor fear retaliation. Apparently, many are still fearful and that's rather sad....no one should be a victim.
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