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The constitution does not require the government to provide insurance for anyone.  The insurance companies are like any company, open for business to make a profit.

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@itiswhatitis wrote:

@Carmie

 

Looks like it's more of the insurance company's lack of desire to do so.....

 

Take a look at this as an example.

 

As part of his plan to reform American health care, President-elect Donald Trump has proposed what sounds like a simple enough idea: Allow health insurance to be sold across state lines.

 

Health insurance companies can already operate in multiple states, but they tailor their plans to each area where they do business. Trump’s proposal, a perennial favorite of Republicans, would instead allow, say, Anthem to sell the same plan in Maine, Kentucky, and any other state it chooses.

 

Insurers would be freed from complying will all the different insurance laws in each state, encouraging states to reduce cumbersome regulations, the thinking goes. Increased competition would in turn give consumers more options and therefore reduce prices.

 

Trump put it this way during his campaign:

 

“As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.”

 

Maine has already tried this. Not a single insurer took us up on the offer.

A law passed in 2011, called PL 90, allowed insurers from other states to sell their plans in Maine. The state’s Bureau of Insurance even reached out to major insurance companies that weren’t offering plans in Maine to tell them about the law and encourage them to do business here.

 

It received no responses, according to a bureau spokesman.

 

Maine wasn’t alone. Two other states — Georgia and Wyoming — also allowed the interstate sale of health insurance. No takers there, either.

Granted, Trump’s proposal is different, aimed at allowing sales of health plans across all 50 states instead of just a few. And he has released no specifics about how it would work. But Maine’s experience reveals some of the problems with this general approach.

 

First, let’s be clear that this proposal would likely affect a minority of Maine residents. Large employers that use their own funds to cover employees’ health expenses, rather than contracting with an insurer, are exempt from these state regulations. So that leaves out workers at big companies such as Bath Iron Works, Hannaford and Wal-Mart. It also wouldn’t affect people with health insurance through the government (Medicaid and Medicare), which is roughly half of the insured population here.

 

Now, back to the pitfalls of selling insurance across state lines:

 

Insurers still have to set up networks. Those networks — made up of doctors, physical therapists, hospitals, pharmacies, etc. — are formed in each state to provide care for beneficiaries. That’s how insurers keep costs down, by negotiating lower prices with providers in their networks, which should lead to more affordable monthly premiums for consumers. Networks also allow insurers to select doctors and hospitals that meet certain safety and quality standards.

But networks are expensive to set up. Insurers have to pay lawyers to draw up contracts, spend time negotiating rates and so on. That’s part of why even in states with lax insurance regulations, you don’t see 20 insurers competing for business. Allowing the sale of insurance across state lines wouldn’t make forming networks any easier.

 

Health care costs vary from state to state. Health insurers set prices largely based on how much they expect to fork over to doctors and hospitals on behalf of their customers. But the cost of health care is inconsistent from state to state because of the relative age and health of residents and other factors. That’s reflected in different monthly premiums in each state.

 

Under Trump’s proposal, a wide swath of America’s population would presumably become the customer pool for health insurers. States with cheaper health care would likely end up subsidizing customers in other states such as Maine, where health expenditures are among the fastest-growing in the past two decades.

 

That could theoretically lead to lower premiums on average. But health insurers would have to grow even bigger to serve such a big customer base. Is that in consumers’ best interests? Just look at the separate bids by insurance giants Anthem and Aetna to merge with their competitors, which sparked antitrust suits by the U.S. Department of Justice.

 

Consumers could lose benefits and still pay more. Under the current system, insurers selling plans in Maine must be licensed here.

Insurance regulators fear they’d have no authority to help customers in their own states who bought health plans from companies based outside their borders. And insurers might rush to set up headquarters in states with the least burdensome regulations. That would allow them to sell cheap, bare bones policies in Maine, undermining the insurers who already sell policies here.

 

“Interstate policies would for the first time allow insurers unlicensed in the purchaser’s state to sell health insurance, which would otherwise be a criminal offense,” the National Association of Insurance Commissioners points out.

The association also warns of a “race to the bottom,” in which insurers cherry pick the healthiest customers in each state, who are the cheapest to insure. That would leave everyone else — the older, sicker and more expensive — to face steep premium hikes, if those people can even find a plan to cover them. State regulators, stripped of authority, could do nothing to stop insurers from hiking prices or from cutting benefits, the association notes.

 

Proponents point out that the proposals pushed by Trump’s pick for HHS secretary, Tom Price, and House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wisconsin, would require insurers to provide a minimum level of benefits in order for consumers who buy them to qualify for tax credits.

 

And Trump has said that health plans would have to comply with regulations in each state. But if that’s the case, it’s difficult to envision how the benefits of his proposal would be realized. They’re built, at least theoretically, on doing away with a lot of those regulations.

 

http://bangordailynews.com/2016/12/28/the-point/maine-tried-allowing-the-sale-of-health-insurance-fr...


Most large insurance companies already have networks in place.  The Blues, United Health and Aetna to name just a few already operate in multiple states,  

 

Members subscribe and pay the home plan.  When they incur claims out of state, the provider sends the claim to the local plan electronically.  The local plan wires the information to the home plan who then wires back how the claim should be processed complying with the home state laws. If the claim is to be paid the local plan pays it according to their payment agreement with the provider.

 

A provider in NY for example would be paid more than a provider in WY based on the local economy and the negotiated allowance agreement between the plan and the provider.

 

Every month the Plans exchange money to  "pay back the local plan" plus a small service fee for their trouble.

 

Traditional Medicare works this way too.  You can have services preformed in any state.  Claims are processed locally where the services are preformed by a large insurance company Medicare pays to process their claims.  Claims are not sent back to the home state.

 

Out of area insurance is not a problem for networking or paying claims.  This can save money because the home plan can take advantage of the lower negociated prices.

 

There would have to be some kind of law to prevent cherry picking,with that I agree.

 

 

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@3suwm5 wrote:

The constitution does not require the government to provide insurance for anyone.  The insurance companies are like any company, open for business to make a profit.


There are not for profit insurance companies too,  some of BC/BS plans are nonprofits,but not for every line of business they sell.

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We buy car insurance, life insurance, long-term care, etc., for protection, the same is true for health insurance.   Pay a premium every month, maybe we are unlucky enough to have a need to use it.  If not, we paid the premium for many years and that is just the way it is.  If you don't purchase insurance and pay a premium each month, you should not have that protection.

 

Those unprotected patients are what helps drive the cost up.  The costs are passed onto other patients, through higher charges.  Insurance companies have to share in that cost, as the hospital/Dr., etc. will not absorb all of them. 

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@3suwm5 wrote:

We buy car insurance, life insurance, long-term care, etc., for protection, the same is true for health insurance.   Pay a premium every month, maybe we are unlucky enough to have a need to use it.  If not, we paid the premium for many years and that is just the way it is.  If you don't purchase insurance and pay a premium each month, you should not have that protection.

 

Those unprotected patients are what helps drive the cost up.  The costs are passed onto other patients, through higher charges.  Insurance companies have to share in that cost, as the hospital/Dr., etc. will not absorb all of them. 


The argument is that many people who are on the lower end of the earning scale can't afford to pay inflated insurance premiums or high deductibles.  They live paycheck to paycheck, deciding whether to pay a bill or buy food.  That's the harsh reality of life in these United States.

 

It's a disgrace that the richest country in the world doesn't feel that every one of its citizens deserves, at the very least, basic, affordable healthcare.  And we dare to call ourselves part of the "civilized world"?

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@NicksmomESQ wrote:

We are the greatest country in the world. Yet we are the only civilized nation that doesn't guarantee healthcare for all.It's appalling that we can spend money on wars.We can provide aide to other countries.But we can't come up with a plan or the money to insure our citizens. Shame on us!!


@NicksmomESQ - Exactly!  ITA.

 

I wonder what kind of healthcare system we'd have, if every legislator had to be covered by the same policies they're "providing" for the rest of the country?  No more special treatment or plans; level the playing field and then let's see what happens and how fast.

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@3suwm5 wrote:

We buy car insurance, life insurance, long-term care, etc., for protection, the same is true for health insurance.   Pay a premium every month, maybe we are unlucky enough to have a need to use it.  If not, we paid the premium for many years and that is just the way it is.  If you don't purchase insurance and pay a premium each month, you should not have that protection.

 

Those unprotected patients are what helps drive the cost up.  The costs are passed onto other patients, through higher charges.  Insurance companies have to share in that cost, as the hospital/Dr., etc. will not absorb all of them. 


Yes, many of us are financially able to purchase all of the various insurances you mentioned.  

 

However, we need to take our blinders off and actually see that there are thousands of people who can't afford it.  Many can't even afford cars or own their own homes, let alone insurance.

 

If this country can pour billions of dollars into unwanted wars and conflicts around the world, and take our youth to fight in them, the least we can do as a nation is guarantee that there is health care from cradle to grave.  Preventive health care should be at the top of the list.

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  @Venezia We tout  ourselves as being a compassionate nation yet we have no compassion for the most vulnerable among us! Health-care is not a privilege but a right.It has nothing to do with politics & everything to do with humanity!!  

  I agree with you that we need to level the playing field.

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@3suwm5 wrote:

The constitution does not require the government to provide insurance for anyone.  The insurance companies are like any company, open for business to make a profit.


@3suwm5 Yep, yepper!

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Most large insurance companies already have networks in place.  The Blues, United Health and Aetna to name just a few already operate in multiple states,  

 

Members subscribe and pay the home plan.  When they incur claims out of state, the provider sends the claim to the local plan electronically.  The local plan wires the information to the home plan who then wires back how the claim should be processed complying with the home state laws. If the claim is to be paid the local plan pays it according to their payment agreement with the provider.

 

A provider in NY for example would be paid more than a provider in WY based on the local economy and the negotiated allowance agreement between the plan and the provider.

 

Every month the Plans exchange money to  "pay back the local plan" plus a small service fee for their trouble.

 

Traditional Medicare works this way too.  You can have services preformed in any state.  Claims are processed locally where the services are preformed by a large insurance company Medicare pays to process their claims.  Claims are not sent back to the home state.

 

Out of area insurance is not a problem for networking or paying claims.  This can save money because the home plan can take advantage of the lower negociated prices.

 

There would have to be some kind of law to prevent cherry picking,with that I agree.

 

@Carmie, excellent points and observations, let's hope these insurance companies are willing to spend the $$$ to set up exchanges in other states.  Seems like some don't want to bother because they'd have to cowtow to individual state mandates.

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