Re: 15 minutes of fame

kittymomNC · ‎08-09-2012

On 10/30/2014 Ismilealot said:
On 10/30/2014 kittymomNC said:
Aren't the military members still "on the job" while being quarantined? They're still in the military and still being paid, so I would think it's part of their job responsibilities, since their responsibilities are dictated by military commanders, not politicians. They're not being threatened and don't have armed guards standing outside their homes, like the people in Connecticut.

Well, the CIC is considered the head of the military and he is also a politician, so you can figure that one out. Also, my understanding is they are being monitored and being kept stationary in Italy. Are these "monitors" armed? I would imagine if they are also members of the military. They are not allowed to go out for a bike ride. You are really splitting hairs and I suspect you heard the little speech the other day and are taking your talking points from that. Either "science" says people need to be quarantined or it does not. That should apply to all PEOPLE, there should be no difference no matter whether you are being paid by the govt or not.

First of all, the CIC did not make the decision to quarantine members of the military. They do their jobs as they are told to do them - to question orders would be out of the question.

Second, I don't have any idea which "little speech" you are talking about, so I'm not taking any "talking points" from a speech. I make my own judgments and form my own opinions based on many different sources.

Third, "science" is saying that all these quarantines are not necessary ... it's the politicians who are making those calls.

LilacTree · ‎03-25-2012

On 10/30/2014 Marienkaefer2 said:
On 10/30/2014 Ford1224 said:
On 10/30/2014 Free2be said:
Interesting how we see things differently. I applaud her and respect her intelligence to know her own health status. I believe she is more responsible than most in this regard.

When America becomes a police state where people can be swept away in any kind of seclusion, be very afraid.

As I stated elsewhere, it was routine when I was growing up that homes were quarantined when someone had a communicable disease (and there were many then). Nobody called it a "police state." It was just common sense.

Hi Ford! I think I will have to disagree with you here. First, she's not sick and does not have the virus in her system. Therefore, she's not capable of exposing anyone to anything. Second, this disease is different than the ones in the past that you're describing, like measles or mumps (for example). It is not airborne, and it is not easily caught through casual contact. The sick person must be in the throes of the illness, when the viral load is highest, AND others must be in close contact with bodily fluids, or the dead body itself, in order for others to be at risk to catch it. Third, if Kaci should be quarantined, then what about the other people who flew on the plane with her? What about the people who were at EWR the day she was there? What about the docs treating Dr. Spencer right now? She's not sick, she does not have the virus in her system, and there's no reason for this quarantine. I think she's doing the right thing by pushing back against misinformation. I do have one question that I haven't seen answered yet. Her boyfriend who lives with her..does the quarantine apply to him as well?

If it doesn't, it should. The whole thing is very subjective.

Formerly Ford1224
We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Elie Wiesel 1986

kittymomNC · ‎08-09-2012

On 10/30/2014 terrier3 said:
On 10/30/2014 Caravaggio said:
On 10/30/2014 kittymomNC said:
Aren't the military members still "on the job" while being quarantined? They're still in the military and still being paid, so I would think it's part of their job responsibilities, since their responsibilities are dictated by military commanders, not politicians. They're not being threatened and don't have armed guards standing outside their homes, like the people in Connecticut.

That is correct kitty. I think what people get upset about is that it seems to the public that they are being treated differently then the healthcare workers etc. I think this can also be said for Mr. Duncan's family and friends. They were immediately quarantined if I am not mistaken. So much has happened since that poor man died.

His family was quarantined and NONE of them got the disease.

This reminds me of the early days of the AIDS epidemic...total paranoia.

BTW - She can't be the ONLY nurse who has come home in the last week or so...what is happening with everyone else????

I don't know why no one is talking at all about the people who are being quarantined in Connecticut. The two men who were in Liberia helping to set up a computer contact tracing system and were never around any infected persons are being held in their homes/apartments with an armed policeman outside their doors.

Why is everyone ignoring that? It totally eludes me.... ${#emotions_dlg.confused1}$

Ismilealot · ‎03-09-2010

On 10/30/2014 kittymomNC said:
On 10/30/2014 Ismilealot said:
On 10/30/2014 kittymomNC said:
Aren't the military members still "on the job" while being quarantined? They're still in the military and still being paid, so I would think it's part of their job responsibilities, since their responsibilities are dictated by military commanders, not politicians. They're not being threatened and don't have armed guards standing outside their homes, like the people in Connecticut.

Well, the CIC is considered the head of the military and he is also a politician, so you can figure that one out. Also, my understanding is they are being monitored and being kept stationary in Italy. Are these "monitors" armed? I would imagine if they are also members of the military. They are not allowed to go out for a bike ride. You are really splitting hairs and I suspect you heard the little speech the other day and are taking your talking points from that. Either "science" says people need to be quarantined or it does not. That should apply to all PEOPLE, there should be no difference no matter whether you are being paid by the govt or not.

First of all, the CIC did not make the decision to quarantine members of the military. They do their jobs as they are told to do them - to question orders would be out of the question.

Second, I don't have any idea which "little speech" you are talking about, so I'm not taking any "talking points" from a speech. I make my own judgments and form my own opinions based on many different sources.

Third, "science" is saying that all these quarantines are not necessary ... it's the politicians who are making those calls.

Ok, just ignore the obvious. The CIC is the HEAD and Commander of the military. Anyway, it's a complete double standard but since you cannot address that, you are simply saying it's fine for the military but Miss Ride Her Bike's rights are being infringed upon. Carry on.

AngusandBuddhasMom · ‎03-10-2010

On 10/30/2014 terrier3 said:
On 10/30/2014 Caravaggio said:
On 10/30/2014 kittymomNC said:
Aren't the military members still "on the job" while being quarantined? They're still in the military and still being paid, so I would think it's part of their job responsibilities, since their responsibilities are dictated by military commanders, not politicians. They're not being threatened and don't have armed guards standing outside their homes, like the people in Connecticut.

That is correct kitty. I think what people get upset about is that it seems to the public that they are being treated differently then the healthcare workers etc. I think this can also be said for Mr. Duncan's family and friends. They were immediately quarantined if I am not mistaken. So much has happened since that poor man died.

His family was quarantined and NONE of them got the disease.

This reminds me of the early days of the AIDS epidemic...total paranoia.

BTW - She can't be the ONLY nurse who has come home in the last week or so...what is happening with everyone else????

Your missing my point but making it at the same time. Because that is what I was saying. They were quarantined with guards and they did not have it but were forced for the full 21 days.

Good question as to everyone else I don't know. Maybe they tested negative at the airports or came through into a airport that is not checking?

AngusandBuddhasMom · ‎03-10-2010

On 10/30/2014 kittymomNC said:
On 10/30/2014 terrier3 said:
On 10/30/2014 Caravaggio said:
On 10/30/2014 kittymomNC said:
Aren't the military members still "on the job" while being quarantined? They're still in the military and still being paid, so I would think it's part of their job responsibilities, since their responsibilities are dictated by military commanders, not politicians. They're not being threatened and don't have armed guards standing outside their homes, like the people in Connecticut.

That is correct kitty. I think what people get upset about is that it seems to the public that they are being treated differently then the healthcare workers etc. I think this can also be said for Mr. Duncan's family and friends. They were immediately quarantined if I am not mistaken. So much has happened since that poor man died.

His family was quarantined and NONE of them got the disease.

This reminds me of the early days of the AIDS epidemic...total paranoia.

BTW - She can't be the ONLY nurse who has come home in the last week or so...what is happening with everyone else????

I don't know why no one is talking at all about the people who are being quarantined in Connecticut. The two men who were in Liberia helping to set up a computer contact tracing system and were never around any infected persons are being held in their homes/apartments with an armed policeman outside their doors.

Why is everyone ignoring that? It totally eludes me.... ${#emotions_dlg.confused1}$

I'm sorry I have not heard about people in Conn? What happened there? ${#emotions_dlg.confused1}$

Marienkaefer2 · ‎03-09-2010

On 10/30/2014 focksie said:
On 10/30/2014 Free2be said:
Interesting how we see things differently. I applaud her and respect her intelligence to know her own health status. I believe she is more responsible than most in this regard.

When America becomes a police state where people can be swept away in any kind of seclusion, be very afraid.

But that's just it Free. She may know her own health status at this given moment in time but what about in the next hour, in the next day...just like Dr. Spencer, she can't possibly know what her health status will be from minute to minute during the incubation period. That's why it's called an incubation period -- the period of time in which the virus can replicate and the disease can manifest. None of us can predict whether this may happen to her during the incubation period. Why is this common sense so difficult to understand?

Her blood has been tested and the virus is not present. She is not sick and cannot expose anyone to anything. If she should become ill, it would take several days for her to be at risk to others. According to the science, the diseases is at its most contagious when the patient is extremely ill, and then only by people who come into contact with vomiting, diarrhea, etc. Unless she were vomiting in th streets, she wouldn't be infecting anyone. Additionally, look at Duncan. His family lived with him.the first few days of his illness and did not become sick. I think it's right for her to self monitor, like Dr. Spencer did.

If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need.--Marcus Tullius Cicero

LilacTree · ‎03-25-2012

On 10/30/2014 AprilFlowers said:
$$$$ is this what she is thinking along with the 15 minutes?

Yeah, she'll probably be all over TV and then write a book. What a crazy country we are sometimes.

Formerly Ford1224
We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Elie Wiesel 1986

kittymomNC · ‎08-09-2012

On 10/30/2014 Ford1224 said:
On 10/30/2014 Caravaggio said:
On 10/30/2014 Ford1224 said:
On 10/30/2014 Free2be said:
Interesting how we see things differently. I applaud her and respect her intelligence to know her own health status. I believe she is more responsible than most in this regard.

When America becomes a police state where people can be swept away in any kind of seclusion, be very afraid.

As I stated elsewhere, it was routine when I was growing up that homes were quarantined when someone had a communicable disease (and there were many then). Nobody called it a "police state." It was just common sense.

Exactly. My older brother came down with Meningitis when he was two years old and my mother was pregnant with me. He was immediately put under quarantine in a hospital bed tent and my parents had to keep my older sister and brother home from school. No whining or complaining it was just done.

As I wrote in another thread, I was also quarantined in a hospital for TB patients when I was 14 years old and kept out of school for a year because of illnesses I had, including scarlet fever. My parents had to visit me by looking through a glass window. As a result, I didn't communicate that disease to anyone else because of being quarantined.

I nor my parents didn't see any loss of "freedom" then, and I don't see it now.

When I was very little, my brother, sister and I all had scarlet fever at the same time. We all stayed in one room and my poor mother took care of us. No one quarantined us, no "quarantine sign" was hung on our door as was often done back in those days.. we were too sick to go out and didn't for quite some time. But no one threatened us if we didn't stay in.

Marienkaefer2 · ‎03-09-2010

On 10/30/2014 Ismilealot said:
On 10/30/2014 kittymomNC said:
On 10/30/2014 Ismilealot said:
On 10/30/2014 kittymomNC said:
Aren't the military members still "on the job" while being quarantined? They're still in the military and still being paid, so I would think it's part of their job responsibilities, since their responsibilities are dictated by military commanders, not politicians. They're not being threatened and don't have armed guards standing outside their homes, like the people in Connecticut.

Well, the CIC is considered the head of the military and he is also a politician, so you can figure that one out. Also, my understanding is they are being monitored and being kept stationary in Italy. Are these "monitors" armed? I would imagine if they are also members of the military. They are not allowed to go out for a bike ride. You are really splitting hairs and I suspect you heard the little speech the other day and are taking your talking points from that. Either "science" says people need to be quarantined or it does not. That should apply to all PEOPLE, there should be no difference no matter whether you are being paid by the govt or not.

First of all, the CIC did not make the decision to quarantine members of the military. They do their jobs as they are told to do them - to question orders would be out of the question.

Second, I don't have any idea which "little speech" you are talking about, so I'm not taking any "talking points" from a speech. I make my own judgments and form my own opinions based on many different sources.

Third, "science" is saying that all these quarantines are not necessary ... it's the politicians who are making those calls.

Ok, just ignore the obvious. The CIC is the HEAD and Commander of the military. Anyway, it's a complete double standard but since you cannot address that, you are simply saying it's fine for the military but Miss Ride Her Bike's rights are being infringed upon. Carry on.