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[scotttie]

On 10/29/2014 Dam Yankee said:

On 10/29/2014 scotttie said:

Quacker, Dam Yankee and all.

Well this was timely. My dd as some of you may know is a nursing student. She is doing her clinicals this year after 2 years of prep. Anyway, they were just assigned a required video on ebola. It was put out by the Univ. in connection with some state agency.

I found one of the statements to be of special interest:

"Ebola cannot be spread through air or water; although, sneezing or coughing can cause droplets containing ebola to be transmitted from person to person."

Well, whaddyaknow about that? I raised that question on day one and was mocked and ridiculed by the condescension crew for it. Thanks, Scottttttie.

Hey, so here's a riddle... How do you save a lawyer from drowning?

My pleasure.

"How do you save a lawyer from drowning..." I give, how?

[VanSleepy]

Thanks, minkbunny. There just seems to be a lot of mixed messages.

[soxfan]

On 10/29/2014 Qwackertoo said:

Never Say Never. This articles is from LATimes in early October.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ebola-questions-20141007-story.html#page=1

It Is Not Set In Concrete in regards to transmission.

Scientific proof tends to evolve.

As more precise methods and testing are completed.

It is NOT static.

Please feel free to read the article before throwing any darts at me.

Not to mention there are five different strains.

[Dam Yankee]

On 10/29/2014 scotttie said:

My pleasure.

"How do you save a lawyer from drowning..." I give, how?

Take your foot off his head.

[Marp2]

On 10/29/2014 pitdakota said:

On 10/29/2014 tansy said: That's interesting, pitdakota, and sounds similar to some points her attorney made today.

I haven't been able to see any interviews with her attorney, but I might search and see if any are on the internet. I would love to hear that attorney and compare it with that discussion today. This guy said it would hinge on those 3 thresholds and he thought there was merit to argue those thresholds had not been met in this case. Guess we will just have to stay tuned.

ETA: If you hear what the other threshold is tansy.....remember it for me!! I for the life of me cannot remember what the 4th one was.

Hi Pit,

I haven't seen any of the interviews but wanted to say I hope Hickox and her attorneys go forward with the suit so some questions can have definitive answers. Question is which jurisdiction--state, federal or both.

[Qwackertoo]

On 10/29/2014 Marp2 said:

Hi Pit,

I haven't seen any of the interviews but wanted to say I hope Hickox and her attorneys go forward with the suit so some questions can have definitive answers. Question is which jurisdiction--state, federal or both.

And now multiple states. NJ and Maine.

I posted this the other day . . . I think it was on the Nurse is on CNN Now thread . . . and can probably be found searching on Congressional Research Services . . . with that date and ebola for key words . . . again sorry for the wrap . . . it did that last time too . . .

10th Amendment. Federal and State Quarantine and Isolation Authority. Congressional Research Service. Dated October 9th, 2014

Summary

In the wake of increasing fears about the spread of highly contagious diseases, federal, state, and

local governments have become increasingly aware of the need for a comprehensive public health

response to such events. An effective response could include the quarantine of persons exposed to

infectious biological agents that are naturally occurring or released during a terrorist attack, the

isolation of infected persons, and the quarantine of certain cities or neighborhoods.

The public health authority of the states derives from the police powers granted by their

constitutions and reserved to them by the Tenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The

authority of the federal government to prescribe quarantine and other health measures is based on

the Commerce Clause, which gives Congress exclusive authority to regulate interstate and foreign

commerce. Thus, state and local governments have the primary authority to control the spread of

dangerous diseases within their jurisdictions, and the federal government has authority to

quarantine and impose other health measures to prevent the spread of diseases from foreign

countries and between states. In addition, the federal government may assist state efforts to

prevent the spread of communicable diseases if requested by a state or if state efforts are

inadequate to halt the spread of disease.

This report provides an overview of federal and state public health laws as they relate to the

quarantine and isolation of individuals and a discussion of constitutional issues that may be raised

should individual liberties be restricted in a quarantine or isolation situation.

[pitdakota]

On 10/29/2014 Dam Yankee said:

On 10/29/2014 scotttie said:

Quacker, Dam Yankee and all.

Well this was timely. My dd as some of you may know is a nursing student. She is doing her clinicals this year after 2 years of prep. Anyway, they were just assigned a required video on ebola. It was put out by the Univ. in connection with some state agency.

I found one of the statements to be of special interest:

"Ebola cannot be spread through air or water; although, sneezing or coughing can cause droplets containing ebola to be transmitted from person to person."

Well, whaddyaknow about that? I raised that question on day one and was mocked and ridiculed by the condescension crew for it. Thanks, Scottttttie.

Hey, so here's a riddle... How do you save a lawyer from drowning?

That is no secret and is all over the ebola literature. That has been known for years. There is a difference between a virus becoming aerosolized and a virus being transmitted via the airborne route. 2 totally different things. Which is why the CDC and WHO have always recommended droplet precautions.

[sidsmom]

Penetrate healthy skin?

[focksie]

On 10/29/2014 scotttie said:

Quacker, Dam Yankee and all.

Well this was timely. My dd as some of you may know is a nursing student. She is doing her clinicals this year after 2 years of prep. Anyway, they were just assigned a required video on ebola. It was put out by the Univ. in connection with some state agency.

I found one of the statements to be of special interest:

"Ebola cannot be spread through air or water; although, sneezing or coughing can cause droplets containing ebola to be transmitted from person to person."

Exactly scottie. That's what I stated in my post #73.

I think a lot of people are confused when they hear that ebola is not airborne. They therefore assume it can't be transmitted through the air via a cough or sneeze. But this isn't so. Here's the difference:

Airborne spread happens when a germ floats through the air after a

person talks, coughs, or sneezes. Germs may land in the eyes, mouth, or nose of another person. If a germ is airborne, direct contact with the infected person is NOT needed for someone else to get sick.

Airborne spread diseases include: chickenpox, tuberculosis.

Droplet spread happens when germs traveling inside droplets that are

coughed or sneezed from a sick person enter the eyes, nose, or mouth of another person. Droplets travel short distances, less than 3 feet (1 meter) from one person to another. A person might also get infected by touching a surface or object that has germs on it and then touching their mouth or nose.

Droplet spread diseases include: plague, Ebola.

[pitdakota]

On 10/29/2014 Marp2 said:

On 10/29/2014 pitdakota said:

On 10/29/2014 tansy said: That's interesting, pitdakota, and sounds similar to some points her attorney made today.

I haven't been able to see any interviews with her attorney, but I might search and see if any are on the internet. I would love to hear that attorney and compare it with that discussion today. This guy said it would hinge on those 3 thresholds and he thought there was merit to argue those thresholds had not been met in this case. Guess we will just have to stay tuned.

ETA: If you hear what the other threshold is tansy.....remember it for me!! I for the life of me cannot remember what the 4th one was.

Hi Pit,

I haven't seen any of the interviews but wanted to say I hope Hickox and her attorneys go forward with the suit so some questions can have definitive answers. Question is which jurisdiction--state, federal or both.

His opinion was state. But I don't have a clue. lol He did say he thought it had the potential to go all the way up and thought even if denied, he thought they should appeal.

Just passing on what he was saying.

If you see anything about the 4 thresholds make sure and note them. As I know you would do anyway. It is driving me crazy that I can't remember the 4th one. I guess it was because he thought that one didn't have merit and spent more time discussing the due cause to argue the other three.

ETA: I am going to go search and see if there are any interviews with this attorney out there. I would just like to compare what he said in the interview tansy saw to what this attorney said today.