Book Club

[smoky22]

I never read The Clan of the Cave Bear and had to look it up on Amazon.  Apparently this is the first in a series of 5 books and it's listed as a children's book.   Looking back over the list, there really are quite a few books that are considered kid's books. 

I love Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (it's not necessarily a kid's book, but I guess it was written for a young girl).   

[LoriLori]

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@smoky22 wrote:

I never read The Clan of the Cave Bear and had to look it up on Amazon.  Apparently this is the first in a series of 5 books and it's listed as a children's book.   Looking back over the list, there really are quite a few books that are considered kid's books. 

I love Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (it's not necessarily a kid's book, but I guess it was written for a young girl).   

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Thanks for the kind words, @smoky22. 

"Clan of the Cave Bear" is not for children and I just looked and Amazon doesn't have it as a children's book.  Sometime I guess the whole series became known as the "Earth's Children" series. 

Book one is about the first blonde born, and of course it's a woman and she's shunned by her clan and it goes on and on and...zzzzzz.  You can read a sample of it on Amazon and judge for yourself whether it interests you.  I think it's horrible, ridiculous and boring.  Other than that...LOL.

That's not to say Amazon doesn't miscategorize things, just not here.  In the most head-scratching error I've seen yet, they have "Us Against You" (among other things) under "Humor & Satire." And no, have not responded to my emails about it.  

[LoriLori]

@smoky22I think "Alice," while a children's book, works in a much deeper way for adults.  There are other books ("Mr. Toad" comes to mind and "Charlotte's Web") where the child understands it very differently than the adult.  

Google Carroll's photos of Alice Liddell.  They're gorgeous.  Some think he was a pedophile because he also photographed her and other kids nude, but that was the trend at the time.  The ones that come up are not nudes, they're staged like painted portraits and they're beautiful.

[smoky22]

@LoriLori  my mistake on Clan of the Cave Bear.  I had no interest in reading it and skimmed the info too quickly I guess.  Thanks for the correction.  It must have been way past my bedtime when I looked it up. 

Photographing nude children would certainly be frowned on today (hopefully even prosecuted).  Victorians did a lot of strange things. That's not to say there aren't strange things happening now, lol.  

[Sooner]

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@teganslaw wrote:

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...BTW, has anyone here read Atlas Shrugged? That's a controversial book, and I haven't read it or know of anyone else who has. The subject doesn't seem that interesting to me, although it's considerd a classic. 

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Yes, I have.  Had to, for a class.   At one point Ayn Rand had lots of followers of her philosophy she called "objectivism" and "Atlas Shrugged" was very popular.  There are still streets and other things named after its protaganist, John Galt.  (I just checked.  One near where I lived has been renamed.)

Ayn Rand's objectivism is the belief that self-interest is the only thing that is good for our economy and the only thing that matters in our country is the economy.  Self-interest is the only way to go.  Altruism, any kind of help to others, is weak and bad for our society. 

 I remember it as dull and boring.  If I were you I'd skip it.  Or at least read a preview on Amazon before getting it.  I thought objectivism was obselete -- yet there's the book in top 40.  I'm surprised!

ETA:  Actually I just realized there are people in high places who behave exactly like they are objectivists.  But that has to be a coincidence because they're neither well read nor familiar with philosophy.

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@LoriLori  @teganslaw  Isn't that the way this county is going?  When you read about all of the me me me things, and the idea that one isn't to be concerned with what other people think?

I remember reading the book in jr. high or high school and being shocked at that way of thinking. 

[Ilovetea]

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@teganslaw wrote:

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@Ilovetea wrote:

The Hunger Games is really on that list

The Hunger Games is given good reviews on Goodreads and was a popular book. Maybe that's why it's on the list. I didn't care for it, so I wasn't interested in the rest of the series or the movies. 

BTW, has anyone here read Atlas Shrugged? That's a controversial book, and I haven't read it or know of anyone else who has. The subject doesn't seem that interesting to me, although it's considerd a classic. 

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There are actually many books on that list that are most likely there because of popularity. As for the literary value of most, not seeing it. Ayn Rand included. Her novels were just an outlet for her Objectivist philosophy. There is a South Park episode where one of the adult characters learns to read, And after reading Atlas Shrugged, vows to never read again. 

Goodreads does have a huge list of best literary fiction and that is more like what I was expecting. 

[LoriLori]

@Sooner, couldn't agree more with your post.

@smoky22, didn't realize "The Lovely Bones" is on the top 100.  As much as I love that book Top 100?  No way.  But people voted it there, go figure.

[smoky22]

@LoriLori  There were several books on the PBS list that I thought I should read.  The Lovely Bones was one of those.  It's the only book I actually read that I hadn't read previously.  There were a few others that I started and gave up on.  I guess there was a reason I never read them in the first place.

The Lovely Bones didn't make it to the new top 40 list, nor did any of the other books I started and gave up on.   I wonder which books will still be on the next list. 

Did they ever say where people voted originally?  

[smoky22]

Reminder for anyone interested:  The Great American Read starts up again on Tuesday 9/11 at 8pm eastern time.  I'm curious if the list will still be these 40 or if it might have changed.  I know people can still vote for any book on the original list.