Beauty

[suzyQ3]

On 7/4/2014 Blondelle said:

On 7/4/2014 suzyQ3 said:

On 7/4/2014 Blondelle said:

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the Ole Henriksen Truth Serum. It's a vitamin C serum with different types of C and it's billed as a collagen booster and it's magical. I use it with RetinolResQ at night and my skin has never looked this good with any other skincare I've tried including SKINN, Lancome, Isomers & Perricone. My skin was always blotchy and now looks like I'm wearing foundation when I'm not. At over 60 it glows, is plump, and the texture and pores are better, and it's firmer. It's $48 per ounce, but I got 3 months out of it just using it in the morning. I know it's working as when I mixed it with the Aplpha Hydrox Souffle, my results weren't as good as using it alone.

The only other C I've used was the Devita 20% one, and it left my skin irritated, and more blotchy. This combo works with the RetinolResQ!!! I think I read once the TS was Sephora's best selling serum.

I'm glad you like his Truth Serum. The ingredients do not appeal to me because of all the potential irritants. They're just so unnecessary:

Water, Sodium Ascorbyl Phosphate, Calcium Ascorbate, Sorbitol, Glycerin, Tocopheryl Acetate, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Fruit Extract, Camellia Sinensis Leaf Extract, Euphrasis Officinalis Extract, Rosa Canina Fruit Extract, Citrus Grandis (Grapefruit) Seed Extract, Oleth-20, Hydroxyethylcellulose, PEG-12 Dimethicone, Benzophenone-4, Sodium Hyaluronate, Thioctic Acid, Phenoxyethanol, Citric Acid, Caprylyl Glycol, Hexylene Glycol, Limonene, Linalool, Citral, Fragrance, Yellow 6

What I see in the mirror is more important to me than percentages and ingredients. Whatever is in there is making my skin look amazing, and that's the most important thing! I've used Isomers and SKINN that had amazing ingredient decks and they did nothing! It's the end result that counts, not how you got there!

You said that you were surprised that no one had mentioned this product. It may be because so many here ARE interested in knowing the ingredients in their skin care and because so many also try to avoid unnecessary irritants in the products that they choose.

[Blondelle]

Suzy, I never said I wasn't interested in the ingredients. Frankly, I don't see anything terribly wrong with them. A serum doesn't get to be Sephora's top seller unless many, many women love and use it. It get's rave reviews everywhere. I bought it because of rave reviews right here on this board as several women recommended it. There's really no need for the nasty tone of your posts! I'm sorry it doesn't appeal to you, but it does to the many women who love it!

[Wackers3]

Is the Ole product being discussed the one that is an oil based serum? I have his C oil but think there might be 2 different Ole C products. The oil based one is a nice enough product but not effective like a true C serum is, imo anyway.

[suzyQ3]

On 7/4/2014 Blondelle said:

Suzy, I never said I wasn't interested in the ingredients. Frankly, I don't see anything terribly wrong with them. A serum doesn't get to be Sephora's top seller unless many, many women love and use it. It get's rave reviews everywhere. I bought it because of rave reviews right here on this board as several women recommended it. There's really no need for the nasty tone of your posts! I'm sorry it doesn't appeal to you, but it does to the many women who love it!

If you read my first reply to you, you will see that it was just meant to answer your question. I checked out the ingredients and could see the reason why some here might not want to use the product. It does contain many potential irritants, including fragrance. Many posters avoid those. Others either don't mind them at all or like them as part of the ingredient deck.

I think your reply to me was defensive. And you think mine was nasty. So I guess we should call it a draw.

[hyacinth003]

On 7/1/2014 Beejene said:

I use SkinCeuticals Vitamin C E Ferulic. This particular CE formula and the Skinceuticals brand was recommended to me by my Dermatologist. I have several friends who use it and their doctors also recommended this same formula and brand. There must be a reason all the doctors recommend it. I use it every morning and in the evening I use generic Retin A which my Dermatologist game me a Rx for. The combination of both products have been amazing. I was blessed with great genes and though I'm in my mid 50's, the only lines on my face were a slight crows feet on the side of each eye. They are now completely gone. My skin is more toned and my pores are no longer visible. This combination will also keep any new lines away. I buy it from a website called: lovelyskin.com

They are fabulous and have sales, no tax and free shipping. I buy several things from them and have been using them for years.

I am using it also. But, I really dislike the stickiness of it. I don't know if it's because I put it over another thinner serum, but I may try something else.

Sticky is the one feeling that really bugs me!

Hyacinth

[HappyDaze]

On 7/4/2014 suzyQ3 said:

On 7/4/2014 Blondelle said:

Suzy, I never said I wasn't interested in the ingredients. Frankly, I don't see anything terribly wrong with them. A serum doesn't get to be Sephora's top seller unless many, many women love and use it. It get's rave reviews everywhere. I bought it because of rave reviews right here on this board as several women recommended it. There's really no need for the nasty tone of your posts! I'm sorry it doesn't appeal to you, but it does to the many women who love it!

If you read my first reply to you, you will see that it was just meant to answer your question. I checked out the ingredients and could see the reason why some here might not want to use the product. It does contain many potential irritants, including fragrance. Many posters avoid those. Others either don't mind them at all or like them as part of the ingredient deck.

I think your reply to me was defensive. And you think mine was nasty. So I guess we should call it a draw.

There are some things I guess I'm never meant to understand in this world. For example, why do some get so bothered if you list the ingredients in products? There are many reasons why ingredient lists are important to many, for example many people are looking to avoid certain ingredients, so posting the ingredients for certain products just helps people make more informed choices. And that is a good thing, right? And saving money is always a good thing so I appreciate when people suggest similar products that have a lower price point, even if I am not ultimately interested in trying the compared product. I think the intent was certainly a good one, not meant to be a personal attack on anyone or anything?

Lol, SuzyQ, as a side note not referencing anything on this thread, I just have to say, I think you are one of the more intuitive posters I've met. I know you can see through alot of the BS and PA stuff that goes on. I appreciate that as sometimes many people are blind to that type of thing. I guess I am very familiar with it since I grew up with someone in my life that was a master of those types of things and it seems that those type of people share the same classic traits. I am guessing you just are really intuitive or you too have someone like that in your life (or did) and therefore, can see the signs from a mile away. Although you were wrong about me when you said I had an issue with you awhile back. But for the most part, you are right on the mark.

[HappyDaze]

On 7/3/2014 wackers said:

The reason so many dermatologists recommend Skinceuticals is because when the brand first came out, the creators marketed the brand heavily within the medical community. Not to sell it (though many derms did elect to offer it within their practices) but to recommend it to their patients. Believe it or choose not to, but most dermatologists would be hard pressed to think of another brand to recommend. They don't keep up with what are the best brands currently available (in skincare in general) and would find it a challenge to compare the pros and cons in most of the ingredient decks. My sister sees a very prominent derm in NYC and he has been really honest with her about how and why most derms tend to choose certain brands, admitting that they do not keep up with what might be better formulas. Skinceuticals was very savvy in marketing their brand to the medical community but that was a long time ago and there are far better formulations out there now. Just the propylene glycol is indicative of that - really good brands have eliminated that ingredient completely in all their products.

I used Skinceuticals for a long time and really got frustrated with the lack of results. I decided to give NCN's a try early this year and have been amazed at what a good C serum can accomplish, in a relatively short period of time. I have tough age spots and they have diminished by 2/3 in only a few months. All my time with Skinceuticals never even came close to accomplishing even a fraction of what NCN's C serum has done.

Any honest dermatologist will tell you they spend very minimal time in school learning about skincare. Some describe it as less than a day's worth of education. That's why they will promote those brands that cater to them - they don't have to sell them but it helps them look like they at least can make recommendations. Skincare and the most current ingredients are not their focus or strong suit. My sister's Dermatologist just happens to know her well enough to be really honest about it.

Interesting information, wackers, thanks for sharing.

One of my derms is very hesitant to recommend any particular brands- she encourages me to try to find products with certain beneficial ingredients and the least amount of superfluous ingredients. She also believes that each person is different in their needs (although there are some ingredients she same almost everyone can benefit from) so one size doesn't fit all. I've had others in the past that seem to really push certain products/brands, even though they didn't necessarily sell those items. I changed derms because the products they recommended I try were never a good fit for my skin. That is why I started doing more research on my own and really paying attention to what my skin needs and what ingredients trigger irritation or can cause underlying damage that I can't see immediately but will surface over time. So derms are great and helpful for many things but there is no way they can suggest the perfect skincare regiment for ALL their clients skin since we are all so different, we as patients and consumers have to be better educated about our own issues and be more aware of what we react to so we can avoid those ingredients.

[MarenSeattle]

On 7/4/2014 HappyDaze said:

On 7/3/2014 wackers said:

The reason so many dermatologists recommend Skinceuticals is because when the brand first came out, the creators marketed the brand heavily within the medical community. Not to sell it (though many derms did elect to offer it within their practices) but to recommend it to their patients. Believe it or choose not to, but most dermatologists would be hard pressed to think of another brand to recommend. They don't keep up with what are the best brands currently available (in skincare in general) and would find it a challenge to compare the pros and cons in most of the ingredient decks. My sister sees a very prominent derm in NYC and he has been really honest with her about how and why most derms tend to choose certain brands, admitting that they do not keep up with what might be better formulas. Skinceuticals was very savvy in marketing their brand to the medical community but that was a long time ago and there are far better formulations out there now. Just the propylene glycol is indicative of that - really good brands have eliminated that ingredient completely in all their products.

I used Skinceuticals for a long time and really got frustrated with the lack of results. I decided to give NCN's a try early this year and have been amazed at what a good C serum can accomplish, in a relatively short period of time. I have tough age spots and they have diminished by 2/3 in only a few months. All my time with Skinceuticals never even came close to accomplishing even a fraction of what NCN's C serum has done.

Any honest dermatologist will tell you they spend very minimal time in school learning about skincare. Some describe it as less than a day's worth of education. That's why they will promote those brands that cater to them - they don't have to sell them but it helps them look like they at least can make recommendations. Skincare and the most current ingredients are not their focus or strong suit. My sister's Dermatologist just happens to know her well enough to be really honest about it.

Interesting information, wackers, thanks for sharing.

One of my derms is very hesitant to recommend any particular brands- she encourages me to try to find products with certain beneficial ingredients and the least amount of superfluous ingredients. She also believes that each person is different in their needs (although there are some ingredients she same almost everyone can benefit from) so one size doesn't fit all. I've had others in the past that seem to really push certain products/brands, even though they didn't necessarily sell those items. I changed derms because the products they recommended I try were never a good fit for my skin. That is why I started doing more research on my own and really paying attention to what my skin needs and what ingredients trigger irritation or can cause underlying damage that I can't see immediately but will surface over time. So derms are great and helpful for many things but there is no way they can suggest the perfect skincare regiment for ALL their clients skin since we are all so different, we as patients and consumers have to be better educated about our own issues and be more aware of what we react to so we can avoid those ingredients.

Great posts, wackers and HD. And I agree that most doctors are influenced by the sales reps -- they're told a good story, and have no reason to doubt them so think they're being helpful by recommending the products. My dad was a doctor and I know that they have their own little world view. A local Derm has a good site called skintour.com. She seems to really keep up on the research, but again, I can tell she's most familiar with the products that are presented to the medical community. As we all know, BigPharma's main incentive is profit -- not that it sincerely wants to HELP us, unless the end result is making more money for its shareholders. That's fine, this is capitalism, but we need to look at their claims with a discerning eye.

[KCDiva]

Has anyone tried making vitamin c serum with L-ascorbic acid, glycerine and distilled water?

[suzyQ3]

On 7/4/2014 HappyDaze said:

On 7/4/2014 suzyQ3 said:

On 7/4/2014 Blondelle said:

Suzy, I never said I wasn't interested in the ingredients. Frankly, I don't see anything terribly wrong with them. A serum doesn't get to be Sephora's top seller unless many, many women love and use it. It get's rave reviews everywhere. I bought it because of rave reviews right here on this board as several women recommended it. There's really no need for the nasty tone of your posts! I'm sorry it doesn't appeal to you, but it does to the many women who love it!

If you read my first reply to you, you will see that it was just meant to answer your question. I checked out the ingredients and could see the reason why some here might not want to use the product. It does contain many potential irritants, including fragrance. Many posters avoid those. Others either don't mind them at all or like them as part of the ingredient deck.

I think your reply to me was defensive. And you think mine was nasty. So I guess we should call it a draw.

There are some things I guess I'm never meant to understand in this world. For example, why do some get so bothered if you list the ingredients in products? There are many reasons why ingredient lists are important to many, for example many people are looking to avoid certain ingredients, so posting the ingredients for certain products just helps people make more informed choices. And that is a good thing, right? And saving money is always a good thing so I appreciate when people suggest similar products that have a lower price point, even if I am not ultimately interested in trying the compared product. I think the intent was certainly a good one, not meant to be a personal attack on anyone or anything?

Lol, SuzyQ, as a side note not referencing anything on this thread, I just have to say, I think you are one of the more intuitive posters I've met. I know you can see through alot of the BS and PA stuff that goes on. I appreciate that as sometimes many people are blind to that type of thing. I guess I am very familiar with it since I grew up with someone in my life that was a master of those types of things and it seems that those type of people share the same classic traits. I am guessing you just are really intuitive or you too have someone like that in your life (or did) and therefore, can see the signs from a mile away. Although you were wrong about me when you said I had an issue with you awhile back. But for the most part, you are right on the mark.

Thank you so much. What a lovely compliment.