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@AngelPuppy1 wrote:

I wonder if those hearing aids work that they advertise all the time on t.v. -- the ones where the man keeps asking his son to repeat that he loves him??  You can buy them at like Walmart,etc., and they are advertised as being hundreds instead of thousands of dollars.  I know many older people who have tried regular hearing aids and hated them.  And others who could not afford them.  

 

I agree that hearing loss does truly affect the quality of life.  Makes a person feel isolated and lonely.  Others often lose patience in dealing with people who have hearing loss.  I have a friend who can't hear well at all and she refuses to look into getting or trying them.  At times it is challenging because we will go out to eat some place and I have to talk very loud to get her to hear me and it is rather embarassing and I feel like we are bothering others around us.  I also think it is not right that Medicare does not cover this health issue.  


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It's not just a volume thing. Hearing needs to be properly tested, diagnosed, and treated by an audiologist, They need to be programmed specifically for the wearer to address their individual need, the kind of loss they have. Costco, Beltone, Miracle Ear, etc., they are hearing aid dispensers who do not have the same kind of training and the equipment is nowhere near the quality or technology that's offered by an audiologist.  I have always gotten my aids via my audiologist.  Our son went the Costco route, it looked like he was saving substantially on the front end, but after just a couple of years those aids are no longer working.  I've speculated that going forward and getting closer to DH's retirement and our income situation changing, I could likely need to go the Costco route myself.  I know there are people out there who are happy with it, but I want to avoid it as long as possible.

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There are two issues here.  The first is that we don't protect our hearing the way that we should and that runs across all age groups.  Although we have all read the articles, younger people don't understand that by listening to loud music for extended periods of time, they are destroying their hearing.  There are jobs that affect hearing and the workers are not adequately protected.  Many parents still treat children who have chronic ear infections with OTC medicine or old wives tales they learned from their grandmothers.  They don't understand that those chronic ear infections affect the inner ear and hearing.  And then there is age related hearing loss, too many older people just go into a state of denial when it comes to their hearing.  They get angry and resentful if someone dares mention that perhaps they should have their hearing checked.  It's bizarre because the same people who will get knee and hip replacements and take medicine for their hypertension will explode if someone suggests they might have a hearing problem and they will outright refuse to wear hearing aides.  My aunt was like that.  She became socially isolated in the last few years of her life because she couldn't hear what was being said.  Engaging her in a conversation was hard because she misunderstood most of what was being said.  "I took my cat to the vet today"  became  "Your hat is in hay???"   That hearing loss stigma robs so many people of the companionship they need in their older years.  

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@JeanLouiseFinch 

I don't claim to know the specifics of hearing loss.  I was just wondering if those ones on t.v. would work and would be a viable option for those who are suffering from hearing problems and cannot afford to pay for the higher priced ones.  

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@AngelPuppy1 wrote:

@JeanLouiseFinch 

I don't claim to know the specifics of hearing loss.  I was just wondering if those ones on t.v. would work and would be a viable option for those who are suffering from hearing problems and cannot afford to pay for the higher priced ones.  


I understand. All the tv and cheap ones are, are amplifiers.  They don’t address specifics like high or low frequency loss, tinnitus, hearing situations like a quiet room, crowded/noisy room, movie, concerts, restaurants, classroom, etc.

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@chrystaltree

There’s also a genetic factor to be considered.

The Hearing Loss Association website is a good source for information. A friend of mine is a member.
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With the prevalence of smartphones and earbuds, an app could be created that would administer a hearing test and then let the phone serve as a hearing aid for the user. The test could be as short or long as desired using test tones in various frequency ranges where the person being tested simply taps the phone when they hear the tone or stop hearing the tone. "Normal" human hearing is reportedly between 20 hz and 20 khz. Assuming the earbuds had a similar range (most don't go down to 20 hz) you could start with a muted test tone at the 20 hz frequency then gradually increase the volume until the person being tested could hear it and tap the screen. Then you could set that same test tone at a higher volume and reduce the volume until the tester could no longer hear it and they'd then tap the screen. Both volume levels should be similar, if not identical and indicate the ability of the listener to hear that test tone at a specific volume.

 

Depending on the thoroughness you want to use, you could retest them at every 10 hz to 100 hz and discover how well, or not, they hear at each frequency. Once you know how their hearing is, it's relatively easy to use a digital graphics equalizer to adjust the output of the source (microphones on the earbuds in this case) to the appropriate volume level for each frequency range tested. Once that was completed a simple replaying of the test tones as they've now been adjusted should have the volume sound consistent across every frequency. If it's not, a retest and redo could be done. 

 

You could also offer different settings for different situations where sounds in specific ranges could be blocked completely, or certain sounds amplified more than necessary to make them stand out. 

 

From a hardware standpoint (smartphone and earbuds) you could put together a package for less than $100 that would function well for most users. Software development costs would be significant but not mind-boggling. Each night the user simply removes the earbuds and smartphone and recharges them and they're good to go again the next day.

 

Where you get into the messy stuff is the federal, state, and local regulatory issues. Some states/areas require hearing tests to only be administered by a licensed hearing specialist. Audiologists would scream bloody murder about such a set-up as they'd be largely put out of business. Why pay thousands of dollars for a hearing aid when your smartphone and a pair of earbuds can do the job? Anyone attempting to create and market such a set-up would likely find themselves facing fines, arrest, and imprisonment unless the laws were changed.

 

As software goes, it's not rocket science to create it. Digital files of the test tones are readily available. Simply create a routine where each tone is played, first from a zero volume gradually ramping up until the test subject tapped the screen. Then from a volume a bit above that where the subject first tapped the phone with the volume decreasing until the person could no longer hear it and they tapped the screen again. If the two numbers are close, you move on to the next frequency. If they're not you retest once more and average the results. Once the testing portion is complete, you use a digital graphic equalizer to boost the volume of some frequencies as needed and have the user verify that the volume remains the same throughout the range. Having retest options and situational options available on the phone makes sense also. If you're going to be eating out in a crowded restaurant you can set it to mute other sounds but pass through sounds in the vocal range. None of this is hard to create. None of it should stress even the cheaper smartphones. The hardware is there and ready to use in this manner, it's just a question of someone developing the software and avoiding the regulatory headaches. (Especially the regulatory headaches.)

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@ALRATIBA wrote:

Just saw a refererence to this article on the HLAA (Hearing Loss Association of America) website.  It's from the NY Times:

 

A brief quote from article:

 

Now a growing body of research by his colleagues and others is linking untreated hearing loss to several costly ills, and the time has come for hearing protection and treatment of hearing loss to be taken much more seriously.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/well/live/hearing-loss-threatens-mind-life-and-limb.html

 

 


I had a temporary loss of hearing that required a myringotomy. It was almost a month, and I got a taste of what hearing loss is like. I felt isolated and soon learned that people tire of having to repeat what they say. Even the staff I the ENT clinic didn't speak up, and they knew what my problem was. You do feel all alone, and you're afraid to talk on the phone because you just can't hear. 


Last year at 48 I had a freakish, temporary loss of most of my hearing, also for approx. a month.  I went to ENT, then an audiologist, and was fitted for hearing aids when my hearing suddenly returned - just as quickly as it disappeared.  I couldn't convey to DH enough how isolating it was.  If affected me greatly at the time, especially at work.

 

ETA yes they are very expensive - the hearing aids I chose were $7500 for not even the top of the line version.  I lost my deposit but I was thrilled to not need them (yet).

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Hearing loss correction is a lot more complicated than simply adding volume across the sound spectrum.

 

Without my hearing aids, I can't hear higher pitched sounds / voices.  My sister's loss is the lower bass tones.

 

I once got rid of a stereo because I thought the treble speakers were blown.

 

 

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I brought DH home from hospital.  He has PT, OT, speech and nursing on board.  He has to have speech from time to time.  His deafness has affected his speech tremendously.  People speak what they hear.  My husband has one hearing aid and can hear minimal with it.  I am told 1/10 words.  In the contralateral ear, no hearing whatsoever, sometimes none even with the hearing aid.   Since he no longer is able to perceive much sound with his hearing aids, his speech has changed considerably, sounding like he has a mouth full of hot potato and garbled speech.

 

 

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Re: testing hearing with a Smart Phone. Your clever app does not account for ambient noise in the test situation; audiological testing booths do. Your suggestion might serve best as a screening device in my opinion. Oh -- forgot to note that there are still people around who do not own costly Smart Phones (like me) and that audiological screening (not testing) can usually be done without cost. Complete audiological testing also involves repeating words, including those masked by noise. There are a few other technical issues that would need to be addressed by an audiologist (which I am not).