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@CatsyCline wrote:

Trazodone is NOT an SSRI .


@CatsyCline @You are correct. It's not an SSRI.

 

@CatsyCline Thank you for your post, you're knowledgeable and it's a pleasure to speak with you.. I'm going to partially reverse on this though, and say that it's currently classified as an SSRI at the FDA, however, I can't disagree with the classification on the Wikipedia page. I'll have to do some more reading to decide where the errors are. 

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Before Prozac Nation few knew what antidepressants actually were.

 

If one was prescribed for you (collective you)  it was probably a psychiatrist and you were carefully monitored. The old school tri-cyclics were not that effective and came with a host of side effects. it wasnt clear if the handful of tricyclics would work or not. Trazodine was lumped in with them but not popular due to its sedation. MAOI's, though effective for some, came with serious risk.

 

Along come the Prozacs, Paxils, Effexors and Wellbutrins. Any Doctor can give anyone a script. Psycotherapists are too booked and  have backlogs of patients. And thats where we have gone down the rabbit hole. SSRIs  are just so easy to get with little vetting and no legwork to know if they are the right fit. And then someone goes off them without the net....

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If you have found an SSRI that works for you, that is wonderful. I am sure they have benefits for a lot of people who take them. I do think it is incumbent on psychiatrists to fully inform patients of all possible outcomes with withdrawal. Most are resistant to the idea that these drugs can have lasting effects in the body. Most will not recognize that akathisia, for instance, is a horrific but common symptom of withdrawal. And it may go on for years after terminating the drug. I think we each deserve to find a way to cope with life and medication is a valid and hopeful option. By the way, PubMed and Drugs.com list trazodone as an SSRI.

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@furbabylover wrote:

If you have found an SSRI that works for you, that is wonderful. I am sure they have benefits for a lot of people who take them. I do think it is incumbent on psychiatrists to fully inform patients of all possible outcomes with withdrawal. Most are resistant to the idea that these drugs can have lasting effects in the body. Most will not recognize that akathisia, for instance, is a horrific but common symptom of withdrawal. And it may go on for years after terminating the drug. I think we each deserve to find a way to cope with life and medication is a valid and hopeful option. By the way, PubMed and Drugs.com list trazodone as an SSRI.


@furbabylover   Trazodone in NOT an SSRI. It is an SARI Serotonin Antagonist and Reuptake Inhibitor. there are 2 drugs in that class: Trazodone and Serzone. These were patented a number of  years before the first SSRI, Fluoxetine. Brand name Prozac. I would encourage you to research other sources than the popular pharma related dot coms you mention.

 

Correspondence to clinical effects     trazodone Wiki

Trazodone acts predominantly as a 5-HT2A receptor antagonist to mediate its therapeutic benefits against anxiety and depression.[76] Its inhibitory effects on serotonin reuptake and 5-HT2C receptors are comparatively weak.[76] Hence, trazodone does not have similar properties to selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs)[76] and is not particularly associated with increased appetite and weight gain, unlike other 5-HT2C antagonists like mirtazapine.[77][78] Moderate 5-HT1A partial agonism is likely to contribute to trazodone's antidepressant and anxiolytic actions to some extent as well.[72][73][79]

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The information about antidepressant classification is indeed confusing when even Harvard Medical School fluctuates, depending on the article, between listing trazodone as an SSRI and an SARI. As I have stated Trazodone seems like a relatively benign drug, with a long track record of success. I chose to write about SSRI's because there are many clinical trials, peer-reviewed studies, that reveal a relatively small benefit in trade for a very large risk upon withdrawal from these drugs. Most psychiatrists are at least willing to recognize that tolerances are easily reached, and higher dosages are then given, without anyone really knowing the overall effect on the brain or body. All you have to do is google "antidepressant withdrawal" and hundreds of sites emerge describing the prolonged horrors that so many suffer worldwide. 

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@furbabylover wrote:

If you have found an SSRI that works for you, that is wonderful. I am sure they have benefits for a lot of people who take them. I do think it is incumbent on psychiatrists to fully inform patients of all possible outcomes with withdrawal. Most are resistant to the idea that these drugs can have lasting effects in the body. Most will not recognize that akathisia, for instance, is a horrific but common symptom of withdrawal. And it may go on for years after terminating the drug. I think we each deserve to find a way to cope with life and medication is a valid and hopeful option. By the way, PubMed and Drugs.com list trazodone as an SSRI.


I originally checked drugs . Com and I thought I read SSRI but after your post I reread sources and it's not an SSRI.

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@furbabylover @CatsyCline We will finally all be on the same paThe makers of the drug describe it as an SSRI.  

 

Trazodone 

INFORMATION
These highlights do not include all the information needed to use DESYREL® safely and effectively. See full prescribing information for DESYREL.
DESYREL® (trazodone hydrochloride) tablets, for oral use Initial U.S. Approval: 1981
-----------------------------INDICATIONS AND USAGE----------------------­
✅✅✅✅DESYREL is a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor indicated for the treatment of major depressive disorder (MDD) (1).
------------------------DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION-------------------­
• Starting dose: 150 mg in divided doses daily. May be increased by 50 mg per day every three to four days. Maximum dose: 400 mg per day in divided doses (2.1).
• DESYREL should be taken shortly after a meal or light snack (2.2).
• Tablets should be swallowed whole or broken in half along the score line (2.2).
• When discontinued, gradual dose reduction is recommended (2.6).
---------------------DOSAGE FORMS AND STRENGTHS-----------------­
• Scored tablets: 50 mg, 100 mg, 150 mg and 300 mg (3).
-------------------------------CONTRAINDICATIONS--------------------------­
• Concomitantuseofmonoamineoxidaseinhibitors(MAOIs),or use within 14 days of stopping MAOIs (4).
------------------------WARNINGS AND PRECAUTIONS-------------------­
• Serotonin Syndrome: Increased risk when co-administered with other serotonergic agents (e.g., SSRI, SNRI, triptans), but also when taken alone. If it occurs, discontinue DESYREL and initiate supportive treatment (5.2).
• Cardiac Arrhythmias: Increases the QT interval. Avoid use with drugs that also increase the QT interval and in patients with risk factors for prolonged QT interval (5.3)
• Orthostatic Hypotension and Syncope: WarnGHLIGHTS OF PRESCRIBING INFORMATION
These highlights do not include all the information needed to use DESYREL® safely and effectively. See full prescribing information for DESYREL.
DESYREL® (trazodone hydrochloride) tablets, for oral use Initial U.S. Approval: 1981
-----------------------------INDICATIONS AND USAGE----------------------­
DESYREL is a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor indicated for the treatment of major depressive disorder (MDD) (1).
------------------------DOSAGE AND ADMINISTRATION-------------------­
• Starting dose: 150 mg in divided doses daily. May be increased by 50 mg per day every three to four days. Maximum dose: 400 mg per day in divided doses (2.1).
• DESYREL should be taken shortly after a meal or light snack (2.2).
• Tablets should be swallowed whole or broken in half along the score line (2.2).
• When discontinued, gradual dose reduction is recommended (2.6).
---------------------DOSAGE FORMS AND STRENGTHS-----------------­
• Scored tablets: 50 mg, 100 mg, 150 mg and 300 mg (3).
-------------------------------CONTRAINDICATIONS--------------------------­
• Concomitantuseofmonoamineoxidaseinhibitors(MAOIs),or use within 14 days of stopping MAOIs (4).
------------------------WARNINGS AND PRECAUTIONS-------------------­
• Serotonin Syndrome: Increased risk when co-administered with other serotonergic agents (e.g., SSRI, SNRI, triptans), but also when taken alone. If it occurs, discontinue DESYREL and initiate supportive treatment (5.2).
• Cardiac Arrhythmias: Increases the QT interval. Avoid use with drugs that also increase the QT interval and in patients with risk factors for prolonged QT interval (5.3)
• Orthostatic Hypotension and Syncope: Warn patients of risk and symptoms of hypotension (5.4).
• Increased Risk of Bleeding: Concomitant use of aspirin, nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs), other antiplatelet drugs, warfarin, and other anticoagulants may increase this risk (5.5).
• Priapism: Cases of painful and prolonged ****** erections and priapism have been reported. Immediate medical attention should be sought if signs and symptoms of prolonged ****** erections or priapism are observed (5.6).
• Activation of Mania or Hypomania: Screen for bipolar disorder and monitor for mania or hypomania (5.7).
• Potential for Cognitive and Motor Impairment: Has potential to impair judgment, thinking, and motor skills. Advise patients to use caution when operating machinery (5.9).
• Angle-Closure Glaucoma: Avoid use of antidepressants, including DESYREL, in patients with untreated anatomically narrow angles. (5.10).
-------------------------------ADVERSE REACTIONS-------------------­
Most common adverse reactions (incidence ≥ 5% and twice that of placebo) are: edema, blurred vision, syncope, drowsiness, fatigue, diarrhea, nasal congestion, weight loss (6).
To report SUSPECTED ADVERSE REACTIONS, contact Pragma Pharmaceuticals, LLC at 414-434-6604 or FDA at 1-800-FDA-1088 or www.fda.gov/medwatch.
------------------------------DRUG INTERACTIONS---------------------­
• CNS Depressants: DESYREL may enhance effects of alcohol, barbiturates, or other CNS depressants (7).
• CYP3A4 Inhibitors: Consider DESYREL dose reduction based on tolerability (2.5, 7).
• CYP3A4 Inducers: Increase in DESYREL dosage may be necessary (2.5, 7).
• Digoxin or Phenytoin: Monitor for increased digoxin or phenytoin serum levels (7).
• Warfarin: Monitor for increased or decreased prothrombin time (7).
--------------------------USE IN SPECIFIC POPULATIONS----------­
• Pregnancy: Based on animal data, may cause fetal harm (8.1).
• Nursing Mothers: Use with caution (8.3).
See 17 for PATIENT COUNSELING INFORMATION a

 

This was published in 2017. There are 15 pages. The other pages are here. MY SOURCE IS THE FDA http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwioi6qmv5brAhUNP6wKHYeGC00QFjAReg...

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Different people experience different side effects from these prescriptions. If it made you fall and you could not get up for a couple of hours, this is not good. Some medications make me have insomnia like certain reflux drugs and steroids. I'd say check your current meds for the side effects. Google the drug name and side effects and find the manufacturer's website. Sometimes, we have the rare side effect. It's not good to be falling and not able to get up and it takes two guys to get you up so call your doctor and report this. There are also what is called a paradoxical reaction meaning the med causes the opposite of what it is supposed to.  CBD causes me more pain the next day, which is a paradoxical reaction to its pain relieving properties for everyone else. 1 mg of melatonin might help if you take nothing else at night, but stay away from doses higher than 1 mg. If you are prone to falling, let your doctor know. I hope you find the answer so you can sleep better.

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@sophiamarie wrote:

@SandGirl   I was just curious since the OP said she wasn't taking it any more.  So, I wondered why she couldn't sleep last night.  Did she take the pill again, or is she not taking it any more???


@sophiamarie I'm not taking it anymore.  I only took it fo two nights.

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The Power of Rest

Is Trazodone the New Brain Wonder Drug? Are mice like men?

Posted Apr 22, 2017

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-power-rest/201704/is-trazodone-the-new-brain-wonder-drug...

 
 
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Is one of the oldest, cheapest drugs in the international pharmacopeia soon to become the medication that will block Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, and MS? Work by Giovanna Mallucci’s laboratory at Britain’s Medical Research Council has shown – in mice – that trazodone and DBM, an anti-cancer drug, appear to stop a common neurodegenerative process which kills neurons in many major diseases, including  scourges like Alzheimer’s. After studying over a thousand compounds, the group’s finding was announced with a headline on the BBC declaring “Experts Excited by Brain ‘Wonder Drug.'"

 

My immediate reaction was to laugh out loud. Like many medications that lack the sexiness of the new, trazodone has been multiply repurposed for uses very different than originally intended – when others let you use it.

 

What Is This For?

 

Developed in the 1960s in Italy, trazodone was created as a potential antidepressant blocking serotonin receptors. It worked. However, it rather quickly developed a negative reputation. It sedated people. It caused orthostatic hypotension – producing fainting in some who get up quickly from a bed or chair. It provoked some cardiac arrhythmias. And perhaps strangest of all, it instigated priapism – uncontrolled ****** erections that sometimes had to be surgically decompressed. People complained of erections that persisted for hours, decades before the appearance of Viagra. When SSRIs like Prozac came on the market, which supposedly worked through blocking reuptake of serotonin, they so eclipsed trazodone that hardly anyone used the drug for a quite a while.

 

For over three decades I have fought with internists, particularly cardiologists, who do not want their patients to take the stuff. They will immediately tell me it can cause torsade de points, a nasty cardiac arrythmia—true, if you take truckloads of trazodone with other drugs. When I would counter that the theoretical “therapeutic” dose was 300-600 mg and I was suggesting 12.5 mg or less to start, given only at night, I would still be rebuffed. The internists would demand that I use SSRIs, drugs they were familiar with—and use frequently themselves.

 

A few of my colleagues did change their minds. When I was a consult doc at Brown, many of the general internists gradually realized that low doses of trazodone could help with their most agitated, out-of-control psychotic patients, particularly those suffering from organic delirium.  Others found its sedative powers useful. But the general reference point, fanned by marketers of the SSRIs, was that such “dangerous, old line stuff” should not be used.

 

SSRIs can provoke weight gain over time. Trazodone did not. SSRIs produce a lot of sexual side effects, blocking ejaculation and erection. Trazodone might cause erections, but the severe priapism, which happens in perhaps one in 6,000 to 10,000 patients, was more common among the young. Some older folks on trazodone might find a little increase in sexual function, but most did not. SSRIs often provoked insomnia, a major problem for people with depression and anxiety. Trazodone made many people sleepy. For many years, SSRIs were far more expensive.

 

Here was a clear marketing task: A much cheaper drug existed than SSRIs, the “wonder drugs” of the 80’s and 90’s (cue Peter Kramer’s bestseller Listening to Prozac) with approximately the same clinical efficacy for anxiety and depression, no weight gain, few negative sexual side effects, and the ability to put sleepless depressives into slumber.

 

A medication like that had to be stopped.

Then the story got stranger. People noticed that standard sleeping pills like Ambien were associated with higher death rates, confusion, and sleepwalking. So they started using trazodone as their sleeping pill of choice. By some measures it is now the most commonly prescribed sleeping pill in the U.S.

 

Yet as I learned at a panel at the APSS, the FDA does not want [Trazodone]  studied as a sleeping pill: It won’t fund that research. In many ways, the agency doesn't want to know. It’s an antidepressant, and as far as they’re concerned, it will remain an antidepressant.

These days many clinicians like me prescribe very low doses – small fractions of the smallest 50 mg pill — for anxiety, depression, and insomnia, especially when the three are concomitant. You want to teach people to sleep without sleeping pills. But for the nearly 10 percent of the population suffering from depression any given day, many with insomnia, dirt cheap trazodone has its uses.

 

The Funny Things You Learn

Will trazodone get repurposed again as the great preventer of Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s disease? To quote Judah Folkman, “We can cure almost every tumor – in the mouse.” What works in mice often does not succeed in people. Clinical trials over the next three-to-five years should give everybody a better idea of clinical potential. But what can be learned from the trazodone saga are several points:

 
  1. Hype often overwhelms facts. The superplacebo effect of “using new drugs before they lose their effectiveness” remains a common part of our lives. Older drugs like MAOIs and tricyclics are often more effective antidepressants and antianxiety agents than the commonly prescribed SSRIs, but new stuff is “always always” better than old—until you do the clinical trials.
  2. People really don’t know how antidepressants truly work. The marketing story that you are “rebuilding serotonin levels” and similar claims deny the complexity of what these drugs do. Trazodone, often thought of as simply blocking serotonin receptors, also block alpha adrenergic receptors and serotonin transporter proteins, with knock-on effects that remain very poorly understood.
  3. Money talks. Old line drugs have few “advocates,” as only Indian and Chinese generic manufacturers usually make money on them.
  4. The brain is far more complicated than many researchers let on. The layers and layers of information inside our head are more than not understood: We lack a conceptual framework to understand them. Elon Musk may be eventually planning to profitably make billions of us into cyborgs, but lots of successful research will be required before that happens – "The Ghost in the Shell" still hasn't found the ghost. 
  5. Biological intelligence is very powerful. The body is an information system. Medications – potent information transformers – often do very different things than theory suggests. Luckily for us, many of these effects can be put to good use by biological systems built to sustain anything thrown at them.
 

Sometimes fortune likes to smile.