Q Talk

[island breeze]

There was an article in Forbes about how the AARP made $2.8 Billion dollars by supporting Obamacare's cuts to Medicare.

If you think AARP supports seniors-- you're sadly mistaken. Do a little research. I would never give AARP a dime.

[suzyQ3]

I think it's disingenuous to philosophize about how sad it is that there is so much increased rancor and unwillingness to compromise on both sides these days without some recognition of the basis and cause of such childishness.

There has always been partisanship. That's natural. But there has rarely been such vicious antagonism and blatant and explicit declaration of a willingness to put the country's best interests aside and further only the goal of opposition.

Bills and programs that would have have sailed through on bipartisanship flounder because a rabid group of idealogues will never, not once, in any way participate in something that might make the prez look good or successful.

They have made this very clear from the beginning, as voiced by the man from Kentucky: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President O to be a one-term president."

They have and will hold the rest of us hostage to do just that.

Yes, there will always be partisanship, and yes, many will always disagree with a particular president. I certainly disagreed with the former President on several issues. But in all my years, I cannot remember such pure venom and hatred directed at a leader that seemed to begin before he even took the oath.

[kittymomNC]

On 4/4/2014 suzyQ3 said:

I think it's disingenuous to philosophize about how sad it is that there is so much increased rancor and unwillingness to compromise on both sides these days without some recognition of the basis and cause of such childishness.

There has always been partisanship. That's natural. But there has rarely been such vicious antagonism and blatant and explicit declaration of a willingness to put the country's best interests aside and further only the goal of opposition.

Bills and programs that would have have sailed through on bipartisanship flounder because a rabid group of idealogues will never, not once, in any way participate in something that might make the prez look good or successful.

They have made this very clear from the beginning, as voiced by the man from Kentucky: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President O to be a one-term president."

They have and will hold the rest of us hostage to do just that.

Yes, there will always be partisanship, and yes, many will always disagree with a particular president. I certainly disagreed with the former President on several issues. But in all my years, I cannot remember such pure venom and hatred directed at a leader that seemed to begin before he even took the oath.

SuzyQ, once again, I totally agree with you...you couldn't have said it better....

[stevieb]

It seems to me the prime goal of whichever party is out of power is to get power back... That's certainly nothing new and sort of a no-brainer...

The difference is it seems that in days gone by there was more of a willingness on both sides to forge ahead until those opportunities presented themselves, while today there's just more bluster, posturing and intransigence, again, on both sides.

Unlike some, I don't claim to be an expert on the basis and cause of this childishness... because I'd assess there are multiple reasons for it. Depending on one's belief system, some of those reasons are quite substantial and legitimate. Alternatively it's a rather sad statement that for some the only criteria is bias...

Regardless, disingenuous soul that I am, I see the utter unwillingness to compromise cutting both ways and emanating from both camps, no matter how much some might wish to espouse it as being unidirectional...

[suzyQ3]

I will defer to the one who knows best and who shall have the last word here, there, and everywhere, despite my distinct recollection of some less than diplomatic remarks, to put it mildly, about our President that were not nearly so infused with the oh-so-professorial stance taken here.

kittymomNC, you're a joy. How I'd love to have coffee with you, or something stronger.

[kittymomNC]

On 4/4/2014 suzyQ3 said:

I will defer to the one who knows best and who shall have the last word here, there, and everywhere, despite my distinct recollection of some less than diplomatic remarks, to put it mildly, about our President that were not nearly so infused with the oh-so-professorial stance taken here.

kittymomNC, you're a joy. How I'd love to have coffee with you, or something stronger.

Back at ya--I'm up for that! Something stronger and then coffee???

[kittymomNC]

susyQ3, on a more serious note, I've met few people that I agree with more, on so many levels. We could have some great conversations!

[stevieb]

Many on the boards engage in ongoing posts. If that necessarily implies needing to have the last word, it isn't precisely a club of one... Most of us express our thoughts in different ways at different times. Surely those so evolved in matters of social consciousness are willing to accept that people evolve. I make no bones about the fact that current 'leadership' was never my choice and still isn't, but I live in Washington DC and I'm fully fed up with the whole very real stalemate, the constant sniping and bickering, the inaction, and the low key but constant opposing 'gang' type skirmishes that seem to permeate politics these days, and it's crystal clear to me that it takes two to tango, or not to...

[kittymomNC]

On 4/4/2014 stevieb said:

Many on the boards engage in ongoing posts. If that necessarily implies needing to have the last word, it isn't precisely a club of one... Most of us express our thoughts in different ways at different times. Surely those so evolved in matters of social consciousness are willing to accept that people evolve. I make no bones about the fact that current 'leadership' was never my choice and still isn't, but I live in Washington DC and I'm fully fed up with the whole very real stalemate, the constant sniping and bickering, the inaction, and the low key but constant opposing 'gang' type skirmishes that seem to permeate politics these days, and it's crystal clear to me that it takes two to tango, or not to...

And there's the one who starts the dance.......

They have made this very clear from the beginning, as voiced by the man from Kentucky: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President O to be a one-term president."

[stevieb]

On 4/4/2014 kittymomNC said:

On 4/4/2014 stevieb said:

Many on the boards engage in ongoing posts. If that necessarily implies needing to have the last word, it isn't precisely a club of one... Most of us express our thoughts in different ways at different times. Surely those so evolved in matters of social consciousness are willing to accept that people evolve. I make no bones about the fact that current 'leadership' was never my choice and still isn't, but I live in Washington DC and I'm fully fed up with the whole very real stalemate, the constant sniping and bickering, the inaction, and the low key but constant opposing 'gang' type skirmishes that seem to permeate politics these days, and it's crystal clear to me that it takes two to tango, or not to...

And there's the one who starts the dance.......

They have made this very clear from the beginning, as voiced by the man from Kentucky: "The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President O to be a one-term president."

kmcn, for once, your new friend (and drinking buddy) and I agree. You do seem a lovely person, and I enjoy it when we 'meet-up' on other threads. I'm afraid though, we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Politics is adversarial by nature. No party out of power has the goal of seeing the opposition re-elected... Think about it. I'd also note that if anyone can actually be said to have started the dance, there will always be different perspectives on precisely 'who started it', just as there will always be sprightly discussions about who it was that told the band to play faster...

Enjoy your weekend.