Jewelry

[CAcableGirl2]

That's a serious ring!   Wow, someone must be very nice to their other half to get that...or getting a major "I'm sorry".  I also love the setting, so pretty. 

[Tinkrbl44]

 It's only "okay" because I'm not a fan of colored diamonds .... but I guess I'd wear it if it was a gift. lol

I bet right this moment, J Lo is salivating ... 

So ... how do you clean this little sparkler?  I don't think dipping it in a small cup of Windex is the way to go ....  

[Enufstuff]

@gertrudecloset @Kachina624 

    A jeweler recently told me that the larger  a gemstone is, the deeper the color is. I have a friend who has a pink diamond ring.

It is a light color, but the diamond is tiny. A stone over 11 carats

would have a deeper pink color, because there is so much depth to it.

    Another factor could be the location that it came from. Sapphires can come in many shades of blue, with the cornflower

blue being the most desired.

[gertrudecloset]

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@Enufstuff wrote:

@gertrudecloset @Kachina624 

    A jeweler recently told me that the larger  a gemstone is, the deeper the color is. I have a friend who has a pink diamond ring.

It is a light color, but the diamond is tiny. A stone over 11 carats

would have a deeper pink color, because there is so much depth to it.

    Another factor could be the location that it came from. Sapphires can come in many shades of blue, with the cornflower

blue being the most desired.

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@Enufstuff That's interesting.  I don't think the rough of any gemstone has anything to do with color.  I think it's just pure luck when you come upon the more saturated beautiful gems and of course, they can command top dollar.  Of course, this is a gem quality diamond if it has never had any treatment.  It is the pinkest diamond I have ever seen.  

This particular stone has been cut from another larger stone and has siblings.  There is likely no truth to the rumor that the larger the rough the deeper the color of stone.  You can have large piece of rough and only part of it is desireable.  Mother nature determines how it looks when unearthed which can be anyone's guess.

I'm not that fond of Kanchanaburri Sapphires (dark blue).  I do prefer the Ceylon Blue color or Kashmir color.

[SilleeMee]

I just read that it took 20 months to cut that stone! 

[Enufstuff]

@gertrudecloset   I never mentioned the rough of gemstones. I

should have specified that I was speaking about cut and faceted stones. What this jeweler told me was no rumor. Of course any

piece in the rough is not expected to be all gem material. It may be only a small percentage of a crystal that is gemmy.

Some crystals are not gemmy at all. But they still can be of interest to crystal and mineral collectors.

    The jeweler who I was recently speaking with is man who learned to cut and polish his collected stones when he was a teenager. He and his father found stones at mines in Maine.

    He went to college and earned his degree in Fine Art and Jewelry, having studied the geology, the chemistry and composition of gems, cutting, faceting and polishing of gemstones and goldsmithing,

designing and making jewelry.

   From college he worked for a jeweler. He also mined stones in Maine. He had his own mining company in Maine. His company discovered  and mined the largest find of high quality, Maine amethyst.

   He has mined thousands of pounds of Maine amethyst and has cut all the gems himself. He has been making jewelry with Maine tourmaline and amethyst  and many other stones for more than 30 years. He and his wife have a lovely jewelry store in Maine. He also custom designs jewelry.

   In addition to the depth of a faceted stone being a factor in the depth of color, other minerals present in the composition of a gemstone will affect color. Like you mentioned, the different shades of sapphire that are found in mines in different geological regions. Ceylon sapphires that are the cornflower blue will bring the highest prices.

  Dennis Creaser is the most knowledgable gemologist, jeweler

I have ever met. Look up Creaser Jewelers in Maine and you can read about him. I had never met anyone who did it all, from mining and all the steps to creating fine jewelry.

[Kachina624]

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@Enufstuff wrote:

@gertrudecloset @Kachina624 

    A jeweler recently told me that the larger  a gemstone is, the deeper the color is. I have a friend who has a pink diamond ring.

It is a light color, but the diamond is tiny. A stone over 11 carats

would have a deeper pink color, because there is so much depth to it.

    Another factor could be the location that it came from. Sapphires can come in many shades of blue, with the cornflower

blue being the most desired.

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@Enufstuff   It makes sense that larger stones would be darker since less light would penetrate them.  However, that stone is a shade of pink normally reserved for bubble gum, is too pink and too dark.  Doesn't even look natural.

[gertrudecloset]

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@Enufstuff wrote:

@gertrudecloset   I never mentioned the rough of gemstones. I

should have specified that I was speaking about cut and faceted stones. What this jeweler told me was no rumor. Of course any

piece in the rough is not expected to be all gem material. It may be only a small percentage of a crystal that is gemmy.

Some crystals are not gemmy at all. But they still can be of interest to crystal and mineral collectors.

    The jeweler who I was recently speaking with is man who learned to cut and polish his collected stones when he was a teenager. He and his father found stones at mines in Maine.

    He went to college and earned his degree in Fine Art and Jewelry, having studied the geology, the chemistry and composition of gems, cutting, faceting and polishing of gemstones and goldsmithing,

designing and making jewelry.

   From college he worked for a jeweler. He also mined stones in Maine. He had his own mining company in Maine. His company discovered  and mined the largest find of high quality, Maine amethyst.

   He has mined thousands of pounds of Maine amethyst and has cut all the gems himself. He has been making jewelry with Maine tourmaline and amethyst  and many other stones for more than 30 years. He and his wife have a lovely jewelry store in Maine. He also custom designs jewelry.

   In addition to the depth of a faceted stone being a factor in the depth of color, other minerals present in the composition of a gemstone will affect color. Like you mentioned, the different shades of sapphire that are found in mines in different geological regions. Ceylon sapphires that are the cornflower blue will bring the highest prices.

  Dennis Creaser is the most knowledgable gemologist, jeweler

I have ever met. Look up Creaser Jewelers in Maine and you can read about him. I had never met anyone who did it all, from mining and all the steps to creating fine jewelry.

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@Enufstuff A beautiful gemstone begins with the rough, correct?  With that being said a very large rought (before cutting by a trained lapidary) would cut the diamond to get the best quality from it and use the part of the rough (waste) for lesser valued or sought after colors.

With gemstones (which a Diamond is) color is everything.  The size vs. the color is not really an accurate way to decipher whether you will get beautiful color from a stone.  Color comes from quality rough, which is then cut and fashioned.  Their are techniques that bring out the beauty of a stone and trained lapidaries know how to do it.  

A very large rough of Pink Sapphire might have desirable color in it on some part of the rought but not all.  A lot of waste happens when cutting quality untreated beautiful gemstones.  You lose a lot of the original rough.

You can't have a beautiful gemstone without first having rough.  I have seen rough gemstones (that will be cut, polished and set for jewelry) come in all shades of the spectrum.  The most sought after colors (if the stone is not going to be treated) will be from sheer luck to find.  That's it.

Rough

Use

Cutting

Waste

[gertrudecloset]

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@Enufstuff wrote:

@gertrudecloset   I never mentioned the rough of gemstones. I

should have specified that I was speaking about cut and faceted stones. What this jeweler told me was no rumor. Of course any

piece in the rough is not expected to be all gem material. It may be only a small percentage of a crystal that is gemmy.

Some crystals are not gemmy at all. But they still can be of interest to crystal and mineral collectors.

    The jeweler who I was recently speaking with is man who learned to cut and polish his collected stones when he was a teenager. He and his father found stones at mines in Maine.

    He went to college and earned his degree in Fine Art and Jewelry, having studied the geology, the chemistry and composition of gems, cutting, faceting and polishing of gemstones and goldsmithing,

designing and making jewelry.

   From college he worked for a jeweler. He also mined stones in Maine. He had his own mining company in Maine. His company discovered  and mined the largest find of high quality, Maine amethyst.

   He has mined thousands of pounds of Maine amethyst and has cut all the gems himself. He has been making jewelry with Maine tourmaline and amethyst  and many other stones for more than 30 years. He and his wife have a lovely jewelry store in Maine. He also custom designs jewelry.

   In addition to the depth of a faceted stone being a factor in the depth of color, other minerals present in the composition of a gemstone will affect color. Like you mentioned, the different shades of sapphire that are found in mines in different geological regions. Ceylon sapphires that are the cornflower blue will bring the highest prices.

  Dennis Creaser is the most knowledgable gemologist, jeweler

I have ever met. Look up Creaser Jewelers in Maine and you can read about him. I had never met anyone who did it all, from mining and all the steps to creating fine jewelry.

In addition Amethyst is not a stone that is rare @Enufstuff .  Amethyst is also used to create Citrine as both colors are found on the same crystal and sometimes we get Ametrine.  Amethyst can be treated and typically it is.  The most saturated colors of Amethyst come out of Africa.  It's plentiful.  So, that's not a good analogy.

Let's consider Padpradascha sapphire.....

To find the rough (for cutting) a beautiful pad the stone must first be beautiful if it will not be treated.  The size does not matter.  The quality of rough matters.

These are two examples of Pad Sapphires.  Which color do you think is the most desirable and most expensive?  Can the rough have both colors?  When they are finished cutting and doing away with the part of the rough that won't yield much you get this competition of quality.

Rough always comes first.  Color is not determined by size of a stone.  Color is determined by the quality of the rough given to us by mother nature.  How can you have a beautiful gemstone of color or lack of color without the rough?

[gertrudecloset]

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@Kachina624 wrote:

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@Enufstuff wrote:

@gertrudecloset @Kachina624 

    A jeweler recently told me that the larger  a gemstone is, the deeper the color is. I have a friend who has a pink diamond ring.

It is a light color, but the diamond is tiny. A stone over 11 carats

would have a deeper pink color, because there is so much depth to it.

    Another factor could be the location that it came from. Sapphires can come in many shades of blue, with the cornflower

blue being the most desired.

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@Enufstuff   It makes sense that larger stones would be darker since less light would penetrate them.  However, that stone is a shade of pink normally reserved for bubble gum, is too pink and too dark.  Doesn't even look natural.

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@Kachina624 That's not really how it works though.  Exotic gemstones that tend to be rarer require very good rough.  In the colored gemstone world size matters when it comes to cost.  Size does not matter when it comes to color for gem quality stones.