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@Regal Bee wrote:

For the life of me.....I simply cannot understand why all this clutter business is such a problem?

 

If clutter bothers you (anyone).....it is easily solved. This should not be a major problem. Yet, it is discussed so often. 

 

I truly think if anyone gathers a lot of items.....clothing, decor, accessories, whatever....there is a reason for this and it doesn't have to be bad or needing to be corrected.  And, why should this be such a problem or concern? The concern should lie with the person who collects and not society, as a whole. 

 

Okay, I will openly admit......I am perplexed. Totally! 


 

I believe it is a problem for the same reasons that other things done/consumed in excess are problems. 

 

Food, alcohol, gambling, drugs, are all addictions, and for many, many people, so is buying. Some people manage to move their things on and not get cluttered, but still keep buying (often rebuying the same kinds of things they got rid of), and others don't do well with moving things out as they continue to accumulate. 

 

The way we continually acquire things in this day and age, it takes no time at all to have too much stuff, relative to the way much of the rest of the world lives. It complicates lives for many (they can't function in their spaces, they are left responsible for the work of cleaning up/out after relatives passing), they become debt laden and financially insecure later in life from excess spending, which can make it  society's problem to take care of them. 

 

There are many far reaching results from over consumption, some of them personal, some of them effecting society in general. It's a topic that is both interesting, and serious, with many implications and ramifications. 

 

It isn't always a problem for everyone, but is for many, and isn't as easily solved as one might think, especially when it crosses over into hoarding, or when even minimal cluttering starts to effect the other people in your life, who have to live with it, or clean up after it when you can't or don't.

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Adopting a "one in, one out" has helped me keep my stuff in check since my big purge 3-4 years ago.

 

I also do a sweep every 6 months and move things around and still find more stuff I no longer need.

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re Paper

 

Now that everything is online, I've been able to reduce my paper to one small plastic bin.  

 

I have another bin with my mortgage documents and next month it will be 7 years and I can get rid of all of that but my pay off letters and the summary.

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@Mominohio- I'm always impressed when I read your posts, you have such a great way of describing things and putting thoughts into words! I read what you write and think yes, that's just right! Thanks for being able to describe what so many of us have been thru or are thinking! 

 

 

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@rnmom wrote:

@Mominohio- I'm always impressed when I read your posts, you have such a great way of describing things and putting thoughts into words! I read what you write and think yes, that's just right! Thanks for being able to describe what so many of us have been thru or are thinking! 

 

 


 

@rnmom

Thanks!

 

Sometimes what I want to say just comes easily and completely and I'm satisfied that I've written is what I think/know/feel. 

 

Other times I bumble around the topic, and someone else posts something so concise, on point, encompassing, and I say "Yes! That is what I was trying to say!!!" LOL

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@Mominohio  Okay, we just have to agree to disagree as I stand totally by my post. 

 

Clearing clutter, if one sees it as a problem, requires doing something about it....talking will not solve the problem anymore than it does with anything else. 

 

I am a doer and not a talker....guess this is why I am having an issue with this. 

 

Hope it gets solved for the people suffering with this problem.

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@Regal Bee wrote:

@Mominohio  Okay, we just have to agree to disagree as I stand totally by my post. 

 

Clearing clutter, if one sees it as a problem, requires doing something about it....talking will not solve the problem anymore than it does with anything else. 

 

I am a doer and not a talker....guess this is why I am having an issue with this. 

 

Hope it gets solved for the people suffering with this problem.


 

Lots of people are doers, but still have certain areas of their lives that they seem to loose control of. 

 

We all know that person that is a real success in almost every facet of their lives, but has that one thing that they simply can't control, or that is the monkey on their back so to speak. They have this one area of 'weakness' that they just never seem to get a real handle on, or they occasionally make some strides with, then fall back into the same patterns.

 

For some people (not at all everyone here that joins the decluttering discussions, or even most of them), endless consumerism, attachment to things (usually due to some emotional or psychological issues), even just the physical inability to keep control over the quantity of things or the maintenance of their space, or having to deal with those things because of others in their lives who over consume and lack control, is a real issue that is no more easily dealt with by saying 'do it' than telling the alcoholic to stop drinking. The reality of it is that some people have real issues that cause them to live a cluttered or hoarder lifestyle. Some people need help in some form or another, to 'get it done' .

 

There really isn't any disagreement on my part, but you have expressed a couple of times on these type threads that you 'don't get it'. All I'm pointing out is that some people are just lazy and don't get it done, some people actually like their 'clutter' and stuff, but feel society is telling them it is excessive, but for many there are psychological reasons they acquire and keep too much, for some there are physical reasons they don't get the job done, and others are left holding the bag from deceased relatives, or live with those that aren't on the same page about what is the right amount of stuff. 

 

I think most of the people here who participate in the decluttering conversations are looking for ideas on new ways to stay organized and in control of stuff, find a sense of camaraderie with others on the same quest to have the homes they love with the freedom from too many things, looking for inspiration to get going, or keep up what they have done, or seek validation that letting go of many things that are supposed to matter (grandma's tea set, and mom's treasured china) is ok (as is keeping what you love and want to use).

 

I don't find the discussions on these forums about decluttering any different than the discussions about holiday decor. It is just people relating what they are doing, what  they want to achieve, how they are going about it, why they want to streamline their lives and their spaces, and the journey they have been on to get where they want to be. 

 

I see very few posts by people who are wanting to achieve a different level of 'stuff' in their lives, that aren't actually doing something about it, and just sharing the processes and results (as well as the work involved) with other like minded people, or seeking advice on how and where to begin. 

 

The talking about it here is solving the problem for many people. It is getting them started, keeping them motivated, helping them learn new ideas, concepts, and skills, and even just opening up possibilities to them of a way of life they might not even had considered. Several times I have read people post on these topics, that they never even thought about doing it, until they read the posts here and realized they wanted something different. 

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Some people are really good at creating an organized home. Some are not and are looking for support and suggestions. It’s similar to someone looking to lose weight and wanting support and ideas. It sounds simple to some but to others it’s more difficult to execute if you aren’t happy with your current home and are not sure where to start. It’s more complicated if spouses have two different viewpoints on their home. Finally, yes, most Americans own too much stuff, myself included. Do I need it? No. Do I like it? Most of it but, I want to get rid of more. My place is less than 1000 sf. I really want less decorations. I already cleared out a ton of clothes.
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I should add that for many, that beautiful organized home can slowly get cluttered after decades of buying. It creeps up on you before you realize it’s happening. More isn’t always better.
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Our “what have you purged today” thread has been my favorite thread on these boards all year. 

 

There are a lot of threads and posts that I don’t “get” either, but usually I don’t need to “get it” if it’s something that doesn’t involve or interest me. 

 

 


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