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Re: Speaking of HOA ....

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@homedecor1 wrote:

@Carmie

 

I live in a private gated community in FL & yes, the streets are maintained by our community.  The re-surfacing fees were paid for by our community reserves -- not sure if it's the same all over but the streets were turned over to the community.  The developer has nothing to do with it as far as I'm aware.

 

 


  I can understand that in a gated community, but not in a community that is open to local traffic. That sounds so foreign to me.  I am sure taxes the are not cheap anywhere. I just can't get over people paying taxes, but the HOA fee must cover street maintenance on a public street.  Wow, just wow.

 

It seems like over kill...money wise. I pay taxes and no HOA fees and our street maintenance is included the taxes.

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@BirkiLady - I am always amazed that people don't thoroughly read the bylaws before buying a home in a HOA.  Before buying my last house, I read every line of the entire document...and made sure I understood it all. 

 

My HOA dues were pretty low, maybe $15-20/month, but they didn't take care of any landscaping, any part of the house or the streets. We didn't have a clubhouse, park or open space. The HOA just made sure everyone followed the rules so there was no need for a large capital fund. 

 

Maybe the OP has the option to pay monthly or yearly like I did, but chooses monthly.  Or, she is just stating the monthly fee but actually pays by the year?  I don't think her HOA community is necessarily weird, it's just different than what we have experienced. 

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@Carmie  I pay a hefty HOA fee and pricy taxes, but my streets are paid for and maintained by the City! We are located within the city limits, have city services and are served by the local police and fire departments, hospitals, libraries, art galleries, bike/ hiking paths, an amazing zoo, fabulous school system, etc.  I don't want to live in a gated community; nor do I want to live anywhere that has any signs mentioning "Private" at all. Why would I want to live in an area where others are not welcome to visit or even drive through? If people have nothing to hide or fear, why need such a hidden lifestyle? It almost seems like an attempt at discrimination or something equallly strange. I don't get it. 

 

I like a pretty street with homes which have lovely landscaping and a variety of personalities showing. Have never been a fan of the same style housing developments. Give me trees, shrubs and lovely flowers on the patios. An outdoor livestyle to share with friendly neighbors, family and friends. Entertaining is important to my family and me. 

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@DeniseColo wrote:

@BirkiLady - I am always amazed that people don't thoroughly read the bylaws before buying a home in a HOA.  Before buying my last house, I read every line of the entire document...and made sure I understood it all. 

 

My HOA dues were pretty low, maybe $15-20/month, but they didn't take care of any landscaping, any part of the house or the streets. We didn't have a clubhouse, park or open space. The HOA just made sure everyone followed the rules so there was no need for a large capital fund. 

 

Maybe the OP has the option to pay monthly or yearly like I did, but chooses monthly.  Or, she is just stating the monthly fee but actually pays by the year?  I don't think her HOA community is necessarily weird, it's just different than what we have experienced. 


@DeniseColo

I believe each state has code that specifically applies to HOAs in that particular state.  That part of the law supersedes any of the governing documents of an individual HOA in that state.  In California, the portion of the Civil Code governing HOAs is called the Davis-Stirling Act.

 

I see Colorado has several of its own:

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/dora/node/92911

 

As to paying monthly or yearly, sometimes there is that option and sometimes there is not.  For a low fee such as below $25/month, it makes sense to pay once a year.  For those of us who pay hundreds each month, we wouldn't want to pay once a year.

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@Carmie wrote:

@homedecor1 wrote:

@Carmie

 

I live in a private gated community in FL & yes, the streets are maintained by our community.  The re-surfacing fees were paid for by our community reserves -- not sure if it's the same all over but the streets were turned over to the community.  The developer has nothing to do with it as far as I'm aware.

 

 


  I can understand that in a gated community, but not in a community that is open to local traffic. That sounds so foreign to me.  I am sure taxes the are not cheap anywhere. I just can't get over people paying taxes, but the HOA fee must cover street maintenance on a public street.  Wow, just wow.

 

It seems like over kill...money wise. I pay taxes and no HOA fees and our street maintenance is included the taxes.


 

The point is that they are not public streets.

 

We have areas here, where they aren't gated, but the roads are not public roads. Anyone can drive on them, but the residents of the development or the HOA are responsible for maintaining them. 

 

The city/county/township does not pave them, repair them, plow them, it is up to the group living on them. Some are marked as private roads, but many are not.

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@Mominohio   I understand what you are saying, but in my mind, if the streets can be  used by the public without restriction, then the public, through taxes should maintain them.

 

Having the  residents being responsible for their own neighborhood streets is crazy.  Now, I know that they exist, but I am surprised that anyone would buy a home in that neighborhood.  I know I wouldn't.

 

That could get expensive quickly.  I'd rather own my house and not the streets.  I have no complaints where I live.  The township maintains the streets, storm drains, snow removal and street cleaning once a week.

 

i do have to paint the fire hydrant on the corner of my lot.  The Twp Is supposed to, but they never have...I paint it so it's not ugly and I don't mind.

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Thank you for HOA's so fed up with lime green or electric blue houses & not maintain their lawns. Yes, some HOA are not strick and makes neighborhood houses look bad, get involved with their meetings. You pay your dues so open your mouth.Never had a problem, nice neighbors, everyone obeys & love it. 

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This board certainly goes off on some wild tangents. Not that it is anyone business but I'll answer them anyway - we pay our HOA monthly here - it went up from $200 to $217. It is a gated community , as are almost ALL newer Florida communities.The road is a private road owned by the HOA so it's their responsibility to maintain it. Not c/o the maintainence being done - just the method as the last time it was done by the developer before we had an HOA -they did one side first so we could drive on the other side and then when that was ready to be driven on they did the other side. This time they plan to shut down both sides.

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@sissel wrote:

Thank you for HOA's so fed up with lime green or electric blue houses & not maintain their lawns. Yes, some HOA are not strick and makes neighborhood houses look bad, get involved with their meetings. You pay your dues so open your mouth.Never had a problem, nice neighbors, everyone obeys & love it. 


Where we lived in Pa no HOA - no lime green houses or homes that were not maintained. When one elderly neighbor had a stroke & went to a home the neighborhood men took turns cutting her grass and keeping things trimmed.

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@Carmie wrote:

@Mominohio   I understand what you are saying, but in my mind, if the streets can be  used by the public without restriction, then the public, through taxes should maintain them.

 

Having the  residents being responsible for their own neighborhood streets is crazy.  Now, I know that they exist, but I am surprised that anyone would buy a home in that neighborhood.  I know I wouldn't.

 

That could get expensive quickly.  I'd rather own my house and not the streets.  I have no complaints where I live.  The township maintains the streets, storm drains, snow removal and street cleaning once a week.

 

i do have to paint the fire hydrant on the corner of my lot.  The Twp Is supposed to, but they never have...I paint it so it's not ugly and I don't mind.


 

I agree, would/could get very expensive.

 

The thing is, these developments are laid out knowing that they aren't approved for services, at least in my area. The developers build knowing the city/township etc. would not pay for the building of the roads or the maintenance of them. 

 

Every person looking at land within those developments, or buying already built homes should be made fully aware of this (I have to wonder how sugar coated it might be in many cases) and the anticipated costs, but bet they sometimes aren't except in the fine print. 

 

I see it this way. It really isn't fair to the rest of the local population living on public streets and needing services (paving, snow removal, etc.) to have to share the services (which means they will get less of them) with roads that never got the prior approval to be built, often are not laid out and built to the same specifications as public roads, and aren't being taxed the same as those that get those services. 

 

Sometimes in this area, after many years, the private roads get absorbed into the public systems here, but I'm sure there is a process and additional taxation. 

 

Not all municipalities can afford to assume the building and care of roads as developers want to continue to build and expand, and many places (developments) want to keep better care of their roads than the local area can or will provide. 

 

And at least in our area, even though the public isn't forbidden from driving these roads, they really go nowhere. They are simply a web of streets/roads that get into and out of the development and to each home, usually with just one way in and one way out, sometimes a secondary small access road. So they really don't get public traffic anyway.

 

I think some people choose to buy into places like this, depending on where they live and what the weather does to roads. Here in Ohio, weather is harsh on roads, lots of freezing and thawing, and the roads are in a constant state of mess. In other climates, the roads last much longer, hold up much better, and probably don't require nearly the upkeep, making it a better 'deal' than other locations. 

 

I'm pretty sure these type of areas here, don't get taxed the same as those on public roads.