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[Dam Yankee]

Doobs... I certainly wasn't referring to you in my posts. I wanted to make sure that you know that.

It would be a whole lot easier to forgive and forget if the same handful of posters would knock it off with the ""hair on fire"" posts. It's hard to forgive someone for something that they refuse to stop doing.

[dooBdoo]

On 11/11/2014 Dam Yankee said:

Doobs... I certainly wasn't referring to you in my posts. I wanted to make sure that you know that.

It would be a whole lot easier to forgive and forget if the same handful of posters would knock it off with the "hair on fire" posts. It's hard to forgive someone for something that they refuse to stop doing.

Hi, DY! Thanks, I appreciate that.

My comments weren't for anyone specific (although maybe directed to myself -- I need a good reminder to myself now and then). I was on the receiving end of critical comments and ridicule, too, but then I think every single one of us was at one time or another. I just think trying to remember who said what to whom is problematic, and since so darned many of the threads are gone we can't refer back to them. I do understand that it's hard to settle differences here.

But a girl can dream, right?

Have a nice night, don't get froze toes from the cold weather.

[Dam Yankee]

On 11/11/2014 dooBdoo said:

Hi, DY! Thanks, I appreciate that.

My comments weren't for anyone specific (although maybe directed to myself -- I need a good reminder to myself now and then). I was on the receiving end of critical comments and ridicule, too, but then I think every single one of us was at one time or another. I just think trying to remember who said what to whom is problematic, and since so darned many of the threads are gone we can't refer back to them. I do understand that it's hard to settle differences here.

But a girl can dream, right?

Have a nice night, don't get froze toes from the cold weather.

Heh... I try very hard to respond to the post, not the poster. With very few exceptions, I don't even keep track of who said what, from day to day. If someone is polite to me, I am polite back. However, when someone is rude and nasty to me, I reciprocate in kind. If that doesn't win me many popularity contests, so be it.

There are a few posters here that I can argue with, in one thread, and then laugh with in the next. That's how it should be, I think.

You have a nice night and stay warm, too. I'm in Florida, so my toes are safe... for now, anyway.

[NC Bandwagon]

On 11/11/2014 dooBdoo said:

I feel the issue was so heated, the discussions so passionate, that some of us either wrote things that were unkind or we didn't write carefully and so our posts were perceived to be unkind. I don't believe for a minute that the overwhelming majority of established posters here have the intent to hurt, to mock, to ridicule, to demean.

In my case, I've been fighting depression and I also have loved ones in West Africa. No excuse for me to be touchy, and for any part I played in anyone's discomfort, disillusionment, or even disgust with these forum discussions, I offer my sincere apology. I offer this as the background or filter which probably causes me to press "submit" when I should rethink it and delete my comment -- and I offer it as a reminder that others here also have things going on in their lives which affect their responses (and the way we interpret the comments of others).

All these words to ask this: Instead of holding on to hurts we might feel, instead of repeatedly mentioning comments made that we didn't like, instead of more and more blame heaped upon one another, isn't it possible for us to forgive and move forward? To remember each of us is a human being with our own personal pain, joy, triggers, passions? There's no positive payoff from holding grudges, in my opinion, and I think we all have a choice in how we move forward from difficult discussions.

Have a warm, safe, secure, and peaceful night, everyone.

Hi, dooBdoo.

Isn't that how people stay trapped in abusive relationships, though? Get abused, abuser says sorry (usually doesn't and/or doesn't mean it), person being abused doesn't want to hold a grudge so instantly moves on and tries to make things sweet again, gets abused again, rinse and repeat.

Sorry if making that comparison offends anyone, but it's kind of true. There's no point in holding a conversation with someone on this board if you know they're just going start with the name calling when you don't agree. It's why I stay away from these kinds of topics on this board and that's probably why so many posters have left these board altogether. Actually, I don't post in most threads because people argue about most everything, even makeup and cook ware. Don't like the drama of it all.

You are right that it's good not to hold a grudge, but it's also good to walk away altogether if you already how the conversation is going to go. I've already been through that on this board and don't wish to go through it again. The people who were cruel to me on this board never did apologize and still carry on like nothing happened. No one would tell an abused women to go back to her abuser just because he said sorry and wants to be all nice the next day. They'd tell her to forgive him and move on with her life, but never walk back into that situation. (yes, I know this will offend people, but everything and nothing offends people on this board anyway)

Just my opinion. Anyone can ignore if bothers them that much. Sorry if anyone gets offended.

Anyway, glad the nurse is all right.

[Mominohio]

On 11/11/2014 NoelSeven said:

On 11/11/2014 Sushismom said:

Most likely you and me both. I prefer to base my opinion on fact and not fear. But if you don't fall into line with the fear mongers, well...

I stand with you.

For most things in life, this is really good advice, base opinions on facts, not fear, and probably the best way to live a calm, yet informed life.

But facts change. Especially in something as new or fluid as this particular "crisis" was just a few weeks ago. What is known about something (in this case an illness) today, may be totally wrong tomorrow, as new information comes out, as science discovers more about something than they knew (or thought they knew). Anything in it's beginning stages has a learning curve, and what we believe to be 'facts' may or may not pan out to be such once the dust settles.

So I think the problem many have had is that if you were one to question authority, or the science of the day, or the powers that be, about their knowledge/honesty/preparedness on the subject, you were ridiculed and demeaned by a few posters on here. You were accused of being panic driven, uneducated, and hysterical.

In my book, asking questions, presenting all scenarios and possibilities (even those with low probabilities), and considering all options makes you smarter than the average person who just buys into the "experts" mantra, the prevailing school of thought, or even what science says is "fact". And your hair doesn't have to be on fire to do these things!

[puglet1]

On 11/13/2014 mominohio said:

On 11/11/2014 NoelSeven said:

On 11/11/2014 Sushismom said:

Most likely you and me both. I prefer to base my opinion on fact and not fear. But if you don't fall into line with the fear mongers, well...

I stand with you.

For most things in life, this is really good advice, base opinions on facts, not fear, and probably the best way to live a calm, yet informed life.

But facts change. Especially in something as new or fluid as this particular "crisis" was just a few weeks ago. What is known about something (in this case an illness) today, may be totally wrong tomorrow, as new information comes out, as science discovers more about something than they knew (or thought they knew). Anything in it's beginning stages has a learning curve, and what we believe to be 'facts' may or may not pan out to be such once the dust settles.

So I think the problem many have had is that if you were one to question authority, or the science of the day, or the powers that be, about their knowledge/honesty/preparedness on the subject, you were ridiculed and demeaned by a few posters on here. You were accused of being panic driven, uneducated, and hysterical.

In my book, asking questions, presenting all scenarios and possibilities (even those with low probabilities), and considering all options makes you smarter than the average person who just buys into the "experts" mantra, the prevailing school of thought, or even what science says is "fact". And your hair doesn't have to be on fire to do these things!

Amen and thank you.

Gosh, you express yourself so well, mominohio!

[scotttie]

On 11/13/2014 puglet1 said:

On 11/13/2014 mominohio said:

On 11/11/2014 NoelSeven said:

On 11/11/2014 Sushismom said:

Most likely you and me both. I prefer to base my opinion on fact and not fear. But if you don't fall into line with the fear mongers, well...

I stand with you.

For most things in life, this is really good advice, base opinions on facts, not fear, and probably the best way to live a calm, yet informed life.

But facts change. Especially in something as new or fluid as this particular "crisis" was just a few weeks ago. What is known about something (in this case an illness) today, may be totally wrong tomorrow, as new information comes out, as science discovers more about something than they knew (or thought they knew). Anything in it's beginning stages has a learning curve, and what we believe to be 'facts' may or may not pan out to be such once the dust settles.

So I think the problem many have had is that if you were one to question authority, or the science of the day, or the powers that be, about their knowledge/honesty/preparedness on the subject, you were ridiculed and demeaned by a few posters on here. You were accused of being panic driven, uneducated, and hysterical.

In my book, asking questions, presenting all scenarios and possibilities (even those with low probabilities), and considering all options makes you smarter than the average person who just buys into the "experts" mantra, the prevailing school of thought, or even what science says is "fact". And your hair doesn't have to be on fire to do these things!

Amen and thank you.

Gosh, you express yourself so well, mominohio!

Yes she does! Once again, a well thought out and well stated post. Oh and I totally agree, mominohio. So many good points I wanted to start highlighting them and then I realized I would be highlighting the whole thing. We are very fortunate to have mominohio here to tell the other side of the story. Bravo.

[scotttie]

On 11/11/2014 Dam Yankee said:

Nonsense. Anyone who dared question anything was mocked, ridiculed and insulted, repeatedly.

Yes they were. Someone has selective memory?

[NoelSeven]

On 11/13/2014 puglet1 said:

On 11/13/2014 mominohio said:

On 11/11/2014 NoelSeven said:

On 11/11/2014 Sushismom said:

Most likely you and me both. I prefer to base my opinion on fact and not fear. But if you don't fall into line with the fear mongers, well...

I stand with you.

For most things in life, this is really good advice, base opinions on facts, not fear, and probably the best way to live a calm, yet informed life.

But facts change. Especially in something as new or fluid as this particular "crisis" was just a few weeks ago. What is known about something (in this case an illness) today, may be totally wrong tomorrow, as new information comes out, as science discovers more about something than they knew (or thought they knew). Anything in it's beginning stages has a learning curve, and what we believe to be 'facts' may or may not pan out to be such once the dust settles.

So I think the problem many have had is that if you were one to question authority, or the science of the day, or the powers that be, about their knowledge/honesty/preparedness on the subject, you were ridiculed and demeaned by a few posters on here. You were accused of being panic driven, uneducated, and hysterical.

In my book, asking questions, presenting all scenarios and possibilities (even those with low probabilities), and considering all options makes you smarter than the average person who just buys into the "experts" mantra, the prevailing school of thought, or even what science says is "fact". And your hair doesn't have to be on fire to do these things!

Amen and thank you.

Gosh, you express yourself so well, mominohio!

Those of us who said we did not believe Thomas Duncan would cause an American outbreak of Ebola where millions and millions of American citizens came down with Ebola were harshly criticized. So much so, that many of us left the discussion to those who had attacked us.

[tansy]

On 11/13/2014 NoelSeven said:

On 11/13/2014 puglet1 said:

On 11/13/2014 mominohio said:

On 11/11/2014 NoelSeven said:

On 11/11/2014 Sushismom said:

Most likely you and me both. I prefer to base my opinion on fact and not fear. But if you don't fall into line with the fear mongers, well...

I stand with you.

For most things in life, this is really good advice, base opinions on facts, not fear, and probably the best way to live a calm, yet informed life.

But facts change. Especially in something as new or fluid as this particular "crisis" was just a few weeks ago. What is known about something (in this case an illness) today, may be totally wrong tomorrow, as new information comes out, as science discovers more about something than they knew (or thought they knew). Anything in it's beginning stages has a learning curve, and what we believe to be 'facts' may or may not pan out to be such once the dust settles.

So I think the problem many have had is that if you were one to question authority, or the science of the day, or the powers that be, about their knowledge/honesty/preparedness on the subject, you were ridiculed and demeaned by a few posters on here. You were accused of being panic driven, uneducated, and hysterical.

In my book, asking questions, presenting all scenarios and possibilities (even those with low probabilities), and considering all options makes you smarter than the average person who just buys into the "experts" mantra, the prevailing school of thought, or even what science says is "fact". And your hair doesn't have to be on fire to do these things!

Amen and thank you.

Gosh, you express yourself so well, mominohio!

Those of us who said we did not believe Thomas Duncan would cause an American outbreak of Ebola where millions and millions of American citizens came down with Ebola were harshly criticized. So much so, that many of us left the discussion to those who had attacked us.

Exactly, Noel. I also get tired of being told what words I can and cannot use around here.