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[magicmoodz]

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@gidgetgh wrote:

For anyone who cares at this point, if you Google the painting "The Drunkard" by Diego Velazquez, this guy is the main focus of that painting. 

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Brilliant @gidgetgh!  How did you figure that out?

[Burnsite]

Hi, Gidget, It's a detail, as another poster has said, from a Velasquez painting, "The Triumph of Bacchus." I just checked it out on Google Images.

Here is my idea:  maybe put it on Ebay as a detail from that painting and that painter and a Velasquez fan might buy it? 

It might be that it is by a fine painter who was making the rent money by painting copies, but it seems unlikely if you've contacted auction houses.

At least if you connect it to Velasquez, you might get more interest.  Sorry I did not note the name of the QVC poster who identified it first--I wish the whole list displayed when we respond!

[ValuSkr]

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@gidgetgh wrote:

@tends2dogs- no, he wasn't pulling my leg. The name of the frame shop on the back is very old. I've googled that. And I was born in 1955 and I remember the picture from MY childhood. The local art guy I saw thinks it's 1898. 

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@gidgetgh  This is very interesting, thank you for sharing!  The frame is a good hint but even that's not always reliable.  Master forgers collect old frames. They buy worthless framed paintings, especially old ones, cut out and discard the canvas, and reuse the frame for their forgeries.  I saw that on a PBS show.

[sunshine45]

here is a replica by felix freudzon......the framed replica is going for $68.

https://fineartamerica.com/featured/borracho-drunkard-felix-freudzon.html

[gidgetgh]

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@ChynnaBlue wrote:

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@gidgetgh wrote:

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@ChynnaBlue wrote:

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@gidgetgh wrote:

I've sent pictures of it front and back to Sotheby's. They have a free service and they'll look at things for you. When I heard back from them they just said they weren't interested in it. I also emailed the twins from Antiques Roadshow. Same response. I emailed an auction house in NC that I was referred to. Same response. I understand all that, but no one will go out on a limb and guide me in the right direction or give me an idea of what have or don't have. 

A few of them suggested consignment. I'm fine with that but I don't know whether to consign it for $1 or 1 million dollars. 

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If they've all told you they aren't interested, I think that's your answer - it's not worth much.

Sell it for whatever you think is a fair price or donate it to a silent auction.

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@ChynnaBlue- Sotheby's is only interested in things $5,000 and up. 

I'd happily sell it. Gleefully sell it. But I have no idea what to charge for it. 

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Then you should probably have it appraised by a professional art appraiser. 

Right now it's in your head as Schroedinger's Painting - somehow simultaneously being worth just under $5000 or $1.

If you honestly think it could be worth something, pay for an actual appraisal and stop trying to get something for free. If you don't want to pay for an appraisal, sell it for whatever you think is a reasonable price.

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@ChynnaBlue Other than what I've posted here, you have no idea what I've done or haven't done, in researching this painting.  When you say "stop trying to get something for free" I assure you, I am certainly not doing that and I'm insulted that you insinuated that. 

First, both Sotheby's and the twins on Antiques Roadshow offer this service, for free. It's on their websites.  It helps them get business. 

I offered to pay the local art dealer for an appraisal.  They offer a free 5 minute look and then they tell you if they feel they can find anything further. If they can, then they charge you. Again, they offered. I would have happily paid them if they thought they could find something. 

I also offered to pay the auction house in NC. They said they look at things emailed to them on a daily basis, for free, and let you know if they want to go further with it. 

I personally don't give a flying flip about this painting, but I did love my father and HE loved this painting and I'm trying to do the right thing by both him and my great aunt, the prior owner. THAT's what's important to me. That's why I'm taking so long with this. I want to do right by him. Period. 

I want nothing for free in this life. Ever. 

 I thought this would be a fun post this afternoon. I should have known better. 

[gidgetgh]

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@tends2dogs wrote:

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@gidgetgh wrote:

And here's the back. Do you think a black light or ultraviolet light would help with the signature?

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@gidgetgh  Now don't take this the wrong way, but do you think your dad was pulling your leg when he said he remembered it from his childhood?  The date looks like 1988 or 1981.  The name looks like Z. S. Gannah or Hannah and the other word I think maybe a town??    I enlarged it and it sort of helped.

Personally,  the picture creeps me out, too, sorry.

It looks like an ad for soup and the guy looks a little gooofy.  Hey, you posted and asked.  I am going to look at this close when I get home.  BTW what did you think it said OR what letters did you try GOOGLING?

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@tends2dogs- I've tried Z. S. Genmar and Zenmar, but I don't think the last name starts with a Z. 

Ad for soup. I love it!

[gidgetgh]

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@magicmoodz wrote:

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@gidgetgh wrote:

For anyone who cares at this point, if you Google the painting "The Drunkard" by Diego Velazquez, this guy is the main focus of that painting. 

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Brilliant @gidgetgh!  How did you figure that out?

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@magicmoodz- I don't know how she did it, but my mom figured that one out before she passed away. She didn't use a computer so I'm not quite sure how she did it. 

[gidgetgh]

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@sunshine45 wrote:

here is a replica by felix freudzon......the framed replica is going for $68.

https://fineartamerica.com/featured/borracho-drunkard-felix-freudzon.html

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@sunshine45- great job!

[SaRina]

@gidgetgh,The replica you posted is nowhere near the link that @RoughDraft posted in that yours is much more sinister/evil looking. It's way off... and really creepy, so I doubt it was done by anyone famous.

The link that @Sunshine45 posted is much closer in a more pleasant demeanor, but it is still off.

The closest I can see in the top sig line is Z.S Genmar, bottom line of the signature is something like Castanany.  If you have a photo editing account (like Photobucket), maybe you could enlarge and sharpen the image. ?

[SaRina]

... or maybe the top signature line is the complete date: 25 January 98