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Re: To Bathe or Not to Bathe: That is the Question

This is exactly why the studios used to manage their actors public persona. Good looking and some charisma don't make up for the stupidity of what comes out of their mouths. And what happened to Hollywood wanting privacy for their children? Blabbing their hygiene routines for everyone to debate.

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Re: To Bathe or Not to Bathe: That is the Question


@Porcelain wrote:

@gertrudecloset wrote:

@Porcelain wrote:

I exercise every day, so I have to shower every day. But I use very mild bodywash. And since I wear sunscreen almost everyday, I have to wash my face twice a day. I'm careful not to overstrip my skin. Just don't use soap.

 

And Gross Alert: If you don't own a bidet, as an adult you really do need to (again, gently) wash that area daily. If you know what I mean.

 

In the past, our ancestors stank. Adults smelled like BO and they covered it with strong perfumes. And they died of simple infections.


Sounds like perfect sense to me.  Our ancestors died of simple infections caused by what?  Lack of medication or the germs on their bodies @Porcelain ?  Just curious.  When people migrated from Europe to the States they did bring disease with them, but I don't believe they were from not bathing.


I love the history of daily life. Totally fascinates me. But topics like this on ruin historical romances for me. I can't help thinking the heroes must all have horrendous bad breath and all the heroines must smell yeasty.

 

People didn't wash with water. In Europe water was usually polluted, so no one trusted it. Everyone thought it carried disease. Which was often true, to be fair. So it was actually considered unclean to bathe or wash with water, or drink it unless it was from a known spring like the one in Bath. Vinegar or alcohol, often cologne, was preferred for washing. And that caused its own problems.

 

It wasn't until well into the 1800s that a connection between obstetric doctors not washing hands and sepsis from childbirth was even discovered. And even then people refused to believe it. Even the doctors.

 

Simple infections often started due to poor hygiene and were made fatal by lack of medical knowledge. I think we basically agree about that.

 

Oddly enough, cleanliness had to do with how clean your linen underclothes were, not your body. Your clean undershirt/slip thingy would peek out and show at your collar and cuffs, and it needed to be spotless or you had to change.

 

People wore a fresh undershirt every day, and sometimes changed it multiple times a day. Dressing for dinner had an actual reason for it besides putting on something fancier: To take off your stinky undershirt/slip that got all dank during the day and put on a fresh, clean one.


@Porcelainit's interesting that they had the scientific knowledge to create perfumes (chemistry) but couldn't figure out how to clean the water.  In any event, the many men who lived their lives on skid row who never bathed and lived on streets, died due to exposure or someone killing them. 

 

There are still some parts of Asia and Africa who suffer under these circumstances with lack of clean potable water.  Much of the population of people who came to the America's with disease killed those who were already here, they didn't die from it.  This is true for the American Indians other other indigenous populations that were here before Europe migration.  Then we can't forget about their pandemics in this country and in Europe as well.





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Re: To Bathe or Not to Bathe: That is the Question


@Porcelain wrote:

@gertrudecloset wrote:

@Porcelain wrote:

I exercise every day, so I have to shower every day. But I use very mild bodywash. And since I wear sunscreen almost everyday, I have to wash my face twice a day. I'm careful not to overstrip my skin. Just don't use soap.

 

And Gross Alert: If you don't own a bidet, as an adult you really do need to (again, gently) wash that area daily. If you know what I mean.

 

In the past, our ancestors stank. Adults smelled like BO and they covered it with strong perfumes. And they died of simple infections.


Sounds like perfect sense to me.  Our ancestors died of simple infections caused by what?  Lack of medication or the germs on their bodies @Porcelain ?  Just curious.  When people migrated from Europe to the States they did bring disease with them, but I don't believe they were from not bathing.


I love the history of daily life. Totally fascinates me. But topics like this on ruin historical romances for me. I can't help thinking the heroes must all have horrendous bad breath and all the heroines must smell yeasty.

 

People didn't wash with water. In Europe water was usually polluted, so no one trusted it. Everyone thought it carried disease. Which was often true, to be fair. So it was actually considered unclean to bathe or wash with water, or drink it unless it was from a known spring like the one in Bath. Vinegar or alcohol, often cologne, was preferred for washing. And that caused its own problems.

 

It wasn't until well into the 1800s that a connection between obstetric doctors not washing hands and sepsis from childbirth was even discovered. And even then people refused to believe it. Even the doctors.

 

Simple infections often started due to poor hygiene and were made fatal by lack of medical knowledge. I think we basically agree about that.

 

Oddly enough, cleanliness had to do with how clean your linen underclothes were, not your body. Your clean undershirt/slip thingy would peek out and show at your collar and cuffs, and it needed to be spotless or you had to change.

 

People wore a fresh undershirt every day, and sometimes changed it multiple times a day. Dressing for dinner had an actual reason for it besides putting on something fancier: To take off your stinky undershirt/slip that got all dank during the day and put on a fresh, clean one.


@Porcelainsince we were discussing this "New World" here is a source you might find as interesting as I do.  It figures it would be Public Broadcasting stations.

 

 

The Story Of... Smallpox – and other Deadly Eurasian Germs
Guns, Germs and Steel

Much of the credit for European military success in the New World can be handed to the superiority of their weapons, their literary heritage, even the fact they had unique load-bearing mammals, like horses. These factors combined, gave the conquistadors a massive advantage over the sophisticated civilisations of the Aztec and Inca empires.

But weapons alone can't account for the breathtaking speed with which the indigenous population of the New World were completely wiped out.

Within just a few generations, the continents of the Americas were virtually emptied of their native inhabitants – some academics estimate that approximately 20 million people may have died in the years following the European invasion – up to 95% of the population of the Americas.

No medieval force, no matter how bloodthirsty, could have achieved such enormous levels of genocide. Instead, Europeans were aided by a deadly secret weapon they weren't even aware they were carrying: Smallpox.

 

 

https://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/variables/smallpox.html





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@JamandBread wrote:

Maybe there is context missing here? They don't bathe everyday with soap doesn't mean they don't get in water and use a cloth and perhaps some natural product other than a bar of soap.

 

 

 

 

@JamandBread 

 

And exactly why should/would I care? 

 

 

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@colleena wrote:

@gertrudecloset @Trinity11 I had been having skin issues (itchy, burning, red) for quite awhile so went to a new dermatologist who said that many soaps can be too much for one to wash with daily & especially for young people.  I was surprised that she said to clean private parts daily if needed but otherwise showers every other day or even less often depending on what's needed.  


I'm 80 yrs young and have taken a shower or bath just about every day of my life - and my skin is almost wrinkle-free and clean.My mother taught me when I was young not to use those harsh bars of soap on my face. Growing up, I used Aveeno Soap -- and now, I'm using Beekman Goat Milk Soap (from QVC) and/or L'Occitane Almond Shower Oil. I have a varied selection of liquid soaps on my kitchen and bathroom sinks for my hands. I wash my hand many, many times a day. Don't want to catch all those diseases they warn us about.

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@KBEANS wrote:

Aren't they so Avant-garde? Sort of like when Jennifer Aniston was telling us to take 3 minute showers to save water. Looking  at her mane, I would doubt that she spends 3 minutes in the shower. Well then, she lost any credibility with me when she went and did the commercial for Emirate Airlines, showing  her coming out of a shower they have on board for their passengers, and clinking a champagne cocktail. HA!  They're so full of themselves. Keep your stinky ass over there and I'll jump in the shower with my Philosophy Shower Gel! 


@KBEANS 

You got that right sister! And I'll gladly take a 30-minute shower to boot!!!!

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Re: To Bathe or Not to Bathe: That is the Question

@ROMARY 


@ROMARY wrote:

I really don't know if I'm imagining this, or overheard my parents talking about the olden days, etc.

 

I more or less recall taking a weekly (or maybe every other day or every two days) bath?  Was it when I was a youngster?  Or older?

 

Anyone here recall the same?

 

Or Maybe It's Just My Imagination (song, The Temptations).


When I was young, before age 12, we took a bath on Sat. night.  Hair was washed in the kitchen sink once a week, but brushed everynight for at least 1/2 hour, I had long hair.

It wasn't until I was 12 or 13, 1948, when we brought a new home for 5,000 in SF that had a shower we took one I think everyday.

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Re: To Bathe or Not to Bathe: That is the Question

My first question is---why would you even address that for public consumption???? 

My second queston---WHO CARES????????

 

I personally find that totally gross--and really don't want to even know any of that!!! 

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Re: To Bathe or Not to Bathe: That is the Question

Since I have no way of knowing how frequently others shower or bathe, perhaps I would be surprised if I knew. I would never consider asking someone this question, I've never even given it a thought. People can choose to do whatever works for them, no one else's business. 

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My human biology professor told me something I will never forget ... the "waste elements" coming our of your pores is the same chemical compounds as urine.

 

A few times I have walked by people in stores who definitely practice saving soap or personal wipes.   Please people... just bathe!