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[Surfnturf]

I just want to clarifly that my comments refer only to Subway franchises. I know very little about McDonald's, except that it would not be possible for them to locate one on every corner. They need to be situated on enough space to provide parking, and drive-thru capabilities in most cases. It also costs a lot more to buy a McDonald's franchise than to buy a Subway. We were once approached by someone to become partners in one. It would have taken a $500,000 investment on our part. Given all these factors, in addition to American eating habits, I am admittedly guessing they turn a pretty good profit. I think they can afford to pay their workers a higher minimum wage. Just my opinion, of course.

[evelomaddict]

On 5/15/2015 Dam Yankee said:

It'll be okay. In the not too distant future, customers will order from a terminal and robots will be flipping those burgers, which will be delivered by conveyor belt, and the worker bees will no longer have to worry about demanding raises.

Your order will probably be correct, but if it isn't... you can just pick up the red courtesy phone, navigate through the menu of complaints, none of which match your problem, wait on hold for 47 minutes, and Billy in India will attempt to straighten it out for you.

japan is on it.

[terrier3]

On 5/15/2015 CrazyDaisy said:

Those business pay their employees based on the business plan they have, not what some think they should be paying them.

No, not really.

They pay based on what the market demands. If they can't find anyone willing to work for minimum, they have to raise their pay level to get workers. You can't run a fast food place by yourself.

In a poor market, like 2008 when the economy was shedding 500,000 jobs a month, employers could pay the bare minimum and hundreds lined up to get those burger flippin' jobs. Same with the regional airlines. The plane that crashed in Clarence NY, killing all aboard, had a co-pilot who was paid $16,000 a year FULL TIME to work for the airline. The pilot made 35K a year. The co-pilot worked at a 7/11 too, just to survive....and was flying sick because the airline frowned on sick days.

Now that the economy is picking up, the airlines are complaining that no one wants to fly for them anymore. Yeah -NOT at $16,000 a year. Same with fast food, auto shops, etc. People are more able to pick and choose jobs now - there is more competition for reliable workers.

So the franchise holder can make a business plan with minimum wage employees, but if no one wants to take those jobs - he'll have to put his granny behind the grill!!!! Or he can do like many lawbreaking employers do - he can hire illegals and look the other way.

Slavery ended over 150 years ago.

[KittyLouSoutenu]

On 5/15/2015 CrazyDaisy said:

On 5/15/2015 KittyLouSoutenu said:

On 5/15/2015 CrazyDaisy said:

On 5/15/2015 KittyLouSoutenu said:

On 5/15/2015 terrier3 said:

There is something seriously messed up...

When people care more about fast food franchisees (people who are doing well, on average) than they care about the worker - making $7.50 an hour, no insurance, no sick or vacation pay and not even set hours from week to week.

Not everybody can come up with $500,000 to become an owner.

There are MANY more worker bees than owners in this world....and without the worker bees, the owners would have nothing either....no one to flip the burgers and no one to afford buying his burgers.

ITA!

I often wonder when people say that you should just own your own business who they think is going to do the work for you.

Those business pay their employees based on the business plan they have, not what some think they should be paying them.

Okay.

Nothing to do with my comment, but Okay.

Sure it does, if you are following the comments......

I followed them.

All I said was that SOMEONE has to do the work for those who OWN the business.

Not everyone can be a business owner.

There have to be worker bees.

And for a society to thrive, those worker bees need to be paid a living wage.

Simple!

[KittyLouSoutenu]

On 5/15/2015 terrier3 said:

On 5/15/2015 CrazyDaisy said:

Those business pay their employees based on the business plan they have, not what some think they should be paying them.

No, not really.

They pay based on what the market demands. If they can't find anyone willing to work for minimum, they have to raise their pay level to get workers. You can't run a fast food place by yourself.

In a poor market, like 2008 when the economy was shedding 500,000 jobs a month, employers could pay the bare minimum and hundreds lined up to get those burger flippin' jobs. Same with the regional airlines. The plane that crashed in Clarence NY, killing all aboard, had a co-pilot who was paid $16,000 a year FULL TIME to work for the airline. The pilot made 35K a year. The co-pilot worked at a 7/11 too, just to survive....and was flying sick because the airline frowned on sick days.

Now that the economy is picking up, the airlines are complaining that no one wants to fly for them anymore. Yeah -NOT at $16,000 a year. Same with fast food, auto shops, etc. People are more able to pick and choose jobs now - there is more competition for reliable workers.

So the franchise holder can make a business plan with minimum wage employees, but if no one wants to take those jobs - he'll have to put his granny behind the grill!!!! Or he can do like many lawbreaking employers do - he can hire illegals and look the other way.

Slavery ended over 150 years ago.

Some would love for it to return.

[Dam Yankee]

On 5/15/2015 evelomaddict said:

On 5/15/2015 Dam Yankee said:

It'll be okay. In the not too distant future, customers will order from a terminal and robots will be flipping those burgers, which will be delivered by conveyor belt, and the worker bees will no longer have to worry about demanding raises.

Your order will probably be correct, but if it isn't... you can just pick up the red courtesy phone, navigate through the menu of complaints, none of which match your problem, wait on hold for 47 minutes, and Billy in India will attempt to straighten it out for you.

japan is on it.

Yep. It would make good sense for people working minimum wage to look ahead, go to school, and start learning how to repair this type of equipment. That's where the future jobs are going to be.

[terrier3]

On 5/15/2015 Dam Yankee said:

Yep. It would make good sense for people working minimum wage to look ahead, go to school, and start learning how to repair this type of equipment. That's where the future jobs are going to be.

Robots MAKE the robots...a lot of manufacturing jobs are gone or they can be performed in Vietnam or Afghanistan.

Some day CEOs will realize that they destroyed their businesses by not paying workers enough to live on and have a few bucks left over for fun/goodies.

We live in a consumer economy, and with low wages, workers can't consume the way they used to.

[Dam Yankee]

On 5/15/2015 terrier3 said:

On 5/15/2015 Dam Yankee said:

Yep. It would make good sense for people working minimum wage to look ahead, go to school, and start learning how to repair this type of equipment. That's where the future jobs are going to be.

Robots MAKE the robots...a lot of manufacturing jobs are gone or they can be performed in Vietnam or Afghanistan.

Some day CEOs will realize that they destroyed their businesses by not paying workers enough to live on and have a few bucks left over for fun/goodies.

We live in a consumer economy, and with low wages, workers can't consume the way they used to.

Robots may MAKE the robots, but they do not come out to repair the robots when they break down. For now, we'll still need humans for that.

[Johnnyeager]

Watch the 1977 movie with Julie Christie called ""Demon Seed"" if you want to worry about artificial intelligence vs. humans. Still gives me the creeps after almost 40 years.

[CrazyDaisy]

On 5/15/2015 terrier3 said:

On 5/15/2015 CrazyDaisy said:

Those business pay their employees based on the business plan they have, not what some think they should be paying them.

No, not really.

They pay based on what the market demands. If they can't find anyone willing to work for minimum, they have to raise their pay level to get workers. You can't run a fast food place by yourself.

In a poor market, like 2008 when the economy was shedding 500,000 jobs a month, employers could pay the bare minimum and hundreds lined up to get those burger flippin' jobs. Same with the regional airlines. The plane that crashed in Clarence NY, killing all aboard, had a co-pilot who was paid $16,000 a year FULL TIME to work for the airline. The pilot made 35K a year. The co-pilot worked at a 7/11 too, just to survive....and was flying sick because the airline frowned on sick days.

Now that the economy is picking up, the airlines are complaining that no one wants to fly for them anymore. Yeah -NOT at $16,000 a year. Same with fast food, auto shops, etc. People are more able to pick and choose jobs now - there is more competition for reliable workers.

So the franchise holder can make a business plan with minimum wage employees, but if no one wants to take those jobs - he'll have to put his granny behind the grill!!!! Or he can do like many lawbreaking employers do - he can hire illegals and look the other way.

Slavery ended over 150 years ago.

You are making an assumption (a very wrong one) that a business owner creates business plans with minimum wage employees. Anyone with business knowledge knows that the going rate in the market for many things, including salaries, is what is used in a business plan. Banks and other organizations will review the documents regularly and not allow unrealistic plans if there are credit lines or borrowing arrangements in place.

So when all else fails you go to slavery and illegals, breaking the law and paying a wage in line with the skills and market are two different things!!!