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[Hoovermom]

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@Shanus wrote:

The only true test is not re-opening until about a month without any new cases. Sorry, just my opinion. If there's a 14 day incubation period, then testing is useless. I think I'll be masked, hand washing and sanitizing everything for quite awhile.

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Wow @Shanus :  I guess you are talking about another 6-12 months?  Really?  Our economy will be in the tank and the rest of the world will follow.  The numbers are nowhere near the estimate of 150-240,000 deaths.  Time to start opening up parts of the country.

[Shanus]

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@Hoovermom wrote:

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@Shanus wrote:

The only true test is not re-opening until about a month without any new cases. Sorry, just my opinion. If there's a 14 day incubation period, then testing is useless. I think I'll be masked, hand washing and sanitizing everything for quite awhile.

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Wow @Shanus :  I guess you are talking about another 6-12 months?  Really?  Our economy will be in the tank and the rest of the world will follow.  The numbers are nowhere near the estimate of 150-240,000 deaths.  Time to start opening up parts of the country.

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@Hoovermom   Didn't say I wasn't going out, just what I thought was truly safe. Of course, no states will follow that. I just hope new cases/clusters don't appear or another outbreak in the fall as some have mentioned. I'm climbing the walls now. 

[pitdakota]

No testing program is ever 100% perfect.

But testing with accurate tests will be crucially important along with other factors that may be in place for some businesses and/or companies such as taking temperatures when reporting to work, for example.  

The infection rate for this virus is 2.5, meaning that each infected person can infect another 2.5 people.  And then each one of those 2.5 people spread it to another 2.5 individuals.  Kinda hard to think about half a person, but statistically that is how they figure the infection rate.

So if I am employer with some type of manufacturing plant that employs 1,000 people, just one employee that has the infection can lead to a total of 406 people with the virus in 30 days if no other protocols are put in place to prevent transmission.  So more than a third of my workforce is now infected as a result of just one person that had the virus.

If I put mitigation factors in place to reduce the exposure to my employees aimed at reducing the infection rate to 1.25, then the number of infections for 30 days for one person drops to 15.

Even if there is an employee that tested negative does contract the disease later and goes on to develop the infection, if I have temperature checks in place, hopefully the temp check will trigger another required test.  Along with not allowing the employee to report into work, contact testing would then take place testing all individuals that had contact with that one person within the past 1-2 weeks.

No doubt there will be clusters that develop.  But with adequate testing  they can get in there and test and also do contact testing.  

A major reason that not only adequate supplies of testing materials needs to be available, but they also need the manpower to do all the contact tracing.  

And @Hoovermom, when they give the number of 150,000-240,000 deaths....that is if nothing is done to slow the transmission of the disease.  Guess everyone overlooks that print at the bottom of the slide.  If a country does nothing, that is the potential death range.

Put mitigation factors in place and you reduce that number.  Just like the example above.  The infection rate drops to 1.25 from 2.5.  And that saves lives.  

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[MorningLover]

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@Hoovermom wrote:

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@Shanus wrote:

The only true test is not re-opening until about a month without any new cases. Sorry, just my opinion. If there's a 14 day incubation period, then testing is useless. I think I'll be masked, hand washing and sanitizing everything for quite awhile.

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Wow @Shanus :  I guess you are talking about another 6-12 months?  Really?  Our economy will be in the tank and the rest of the world will follow.  The numbers are nowhere near the estimate of 150-240,000 deaths.  Time to start opening up parts of the country.

Yes, and Dr. Birx had said pandemic forecasts initially predicted 1.5 million to 2.2 million deaths in the U.S. But that was a worst-case scenario, without efforts to slow the spread of the coronavirus through social distancing and other efforts.

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[Porcelain]

The other countries that are having the most success are doing mass testing. They wouldn't be doing it if it didn't work for them. Germany is doing amazing and is really on track. So is South Korea, and they had a very bad outbreak that was similar to ours at first.

Those of you who don't want testing, not sure what you think would work instead. We can't know which areas are safe to re-open if we don't know who is infected or where the hotspots are.

None of the American re-opening plans being touted anywhere by anyone just leave out testing. In fact, they all rely on mass testing. Not sure why anyone would want to hinder re-opening and getting the economy back on track and put people back to work--by being against testing.

[CrazyDaisy]

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@Porcelain wrote:

The other countries that are having the most success are doing mass testing. They wouldn't be doing it if it didn't work for them. Germany is doing amazing and is really on track. So is South Korea, and they had a very bad outbreak that was similar to ours at first.

Those of you who don't want testing, not sure what you think would work instead. We can't know which areas are safe to re-open if we don't know who is infected or where the hotspots are.

None of the American re-opening plans being touted anywhere by anyone just leave out testing. In fact, they all rely on mass testing. Not sure why anyone would want to hinder re-opening and getting the economy back on track and put people back to work--by being against testing.

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As they say "the cat is out of the bag" what would anyone hope to accommplish with mass testing (and what are you even testing)

Please identify those States looking at reopening requiring mass testing.  I have only seen targeted testing based upon new cases to identify/prevent hotspots. 

[Porcelain]

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@CrazyDaisy wrote:

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@Porcelain wrote:

The other countries that are having the most success are doing mass testing. They wouldn't be doing it if it didn't work for them. Germany is doing amazing and is really on track. So is South Korea, and they had a very bad outbreak that was similar to ours at first.

Those of you who don't want testing, not sure what you think would work instead. We can't know which areas are safe to re-open if we don't know who is infected or where the hotspots are.

None of the American re-opening plans being touted anywhere by anyone just leave out testing. In fact, they all rely on mass testing. Not sure why anyone would want to hinder re-opening and getting the economy back on track and put people back to work--by being against testing.

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As they say "the cat is out of the bag" what would anyone hope to accommplish with mass testing (and what are you even testing)

Please identify those States looking at reopening requiring mass testing.  I have only seen targeted testing based upon new cases to identify/prevent hotspots. 

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It's a cornerstone of the national plan that was published yesterday. It's a requirement to go into Phase One.

[CrazyDaisy]

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@Porcelain wrote:

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@CrazyDaisy wrote:

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@Porcelain wrote:

The other countries that are having the most success are doing mass testing. They wouldn't be doing it if it didn't work for them. Germany is doing amazing and is really on track. So is South Korea, and they had a very bad outbreak that was similar to ours at first.

Those of you who don't want testing, not sure what you think would work instead. We can't know which areas are safe to re-open if we don't know who is infected or where the hotspots are.

None of the American re-opening plans being touted anywhere by anyone just leave out testing. In fact, they all rely on mass testing. Not sure why anyone would want to hinder re-opening and getting the economy back on track and put people back to work--by being against testing.

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As they say "the cat is out of the bag" what would anyone hope to accommplish with mass testing (and what are you even testing)

Please identify those States looking at reopening requiring mass testing.  I have only seen targeted testing based upon new cases to identify/prevent hotspots. 

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It's a cornerstone of the national plan that was published yesterday. It's a requirement to go into Phase One.

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HUM....not seeing anything about requiring mass testing as a requirement.  In fact, just the opposite on the National side.

[Porcelain]

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@CrazyDaisy wrote:

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@Porcelain wrote:

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It's a cornerstone of the national plan that was published yesterday. It's a requirement to go into Phase One.

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HUM....not seeing anything about requiring mass testing as a requirement.  In fact, just the opposite on the National side.

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"Before entering the first phase, the guidelines say that the number of cases, positive tests and reports of flu- or Covid 19-like symptoms in a state or region should be trending downward"

[CrazyDaisy]

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@Porcelain wrote:

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@CrazyDaisy wrote:

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@Porcelain wrote:

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It's a cornerstone of the national plan that was published yesterday. It's a requirement to go into Phase One.

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HUM....not seeing anything about requiring mass testing as a requirement.  In fact, just the opposite on the National side.

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"Before entering the first phase, the guidelines say that the number of cases, positive tests and reports of flu- or Covid 19-like symptoms in a state or region should be trending downward"

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/16/coronavirus-trump-issuing-guidelines-on-reopening-parts-of-us-amid-o...

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That is NOT mass testing, that is targeted testing,  Which is what I have been saying all along,