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On 8/5/2014 reiki604 said:
On 8/5/2014 happy housewife said:
On 8/5/2014 Marienkaefer2 said:
On 8/5/2014 NoelSeven said:
On 8/5/2014 Marienkaefer2 said:

I really think it depends on where you live.

In our state, the two year nursing programs are highly regarded and students do find employment. In fact, the waiting lists are long to get into these programs.

Of course, to further your career, a four year degree or beyond is optimal. However, I think a master's is really only recommended if you want to get into the administrative side of things.

But like I said, that's here. I'm sure it's different in other places.

They're specialized around here and some can prescribe some drugs. I think their title is Nurse Practitioner, I saw one for an eye infection once. They also give routine GYN exams if that's their area of expertise.

Oh yes, nurse practitioner. Thanks for reminding me, Noel!

Mine has ARNP after her name. I forget, because I just think of her as "my doctor!" Smiley Happy

She is my PCP, I see her for everything. The only thing she can't do is admit me to a hospital. She has a partnership with and MD for that.

ALL Nurse practitioners have to work with a physician overlooking them. The doctors do a lot more than just admitting to hospitals.

In general there is a lot of misinformation on this thread. Any nurse who says she can't find a job is simply not really trying. Every level of nurses are in demand all over the country, from AD to MSN or even PhD.

With all due respect hh, you have been out of the profession for many years now. In my area a BSN is the minimal requirement for employment. I have been instructed by upper management not to bother interviewing anyone without a BSN. Nursing is not the same profession you entered and retired from. I have been a RN for 33 years and am still working. I have a BS in healthcare management as well as a BSN. I am working on my MSN as a requirement for my job. I would appreciate it if you did not infer that you know more than those of us who are still in the field.
It's frustrating that HH continues to think everything is the same as it was 45 years ago. What you have said, reiki, is also true here.
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On 8/5/2014 happy housewife said:
On 8/5/2014 Marienkaefer2 said:
On 8/5/2014 NoelSeven said:
On 8/5/2014 Marienkaefer2 said:

I really think it depends on where you live.

In our state, the two year nursing programs are highly regarded and students do find employment. In fact, the waiting lists are long to get into these programs.

Of course, to further your career, a four year degree or beyond is optimal. However, I think a master's is really only recommended if you want to get into the administrative side of things.

But like I said, that's here. I'm sure it's different in other places.

They're specialized around here and some can prescribe some drugs. I think their title is Nurse Practitioner, I saw one for an eye infection once. They also give routine GYN exams if that's their area of expertise.

Oh yes, nurse practitioner. Thanks for reminding me, Noel!

Mine has ARNP after her name. I forget, because I just think of her as "my doctor!" Smiley Happy

She is my PCP, I see her for everything. The only thing she can't do is admit me to a hospital. She has a partnership with and MD for that.

ALL Nurse practitioners have to work with a physician overlooking them. The doctors do a lot more than just admitting to hospitals.

In general there is a lot of misinformation on this thread. Any nurse who says she can't find a job is simply not really trying. Every level of nurses are in demand all over the country, from AD to MSN or even PhD.

My ARNP has her own health clinic. She has three other ARNPs working with her, all with different specialties.

There is no MD in her office. When I first went to her, SHE TOLD me she was responsible for ALL of my health care, and could provide every type of service just as an MD. The only thing she cannot do is admit me. OR, she refers me to specialists for certain things, just as any MD would.

Please don't ASSUME that you know more than I do about MY HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. I am smart enough to know about my health care and who.is providing it to me.

Perhaps IN YOUR EXPERIENCE other things may be the case. However, as we have seen here, experiences VARY according to where you live.

You do have knowledge. I have seen that and I give you credit for that. But you do not know EVERYTHING.

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I cant judge, but I just wanted to say in my opinion school shouldn't cost what it does to begin with here in the USA. That's outrageous. Its about time kids get cheaper college costs so ALL kids can go.

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On 8/5/2014 kachina624 said: Parent co-sign a student loan for their daughter to attend nursing school. Daughter dies unexpectly and now parents are complaining about having to repay her $100,000 loan. They say nobody got any benefit from her education so they shouldn't have to pay. Are they right or wrong?

Was all the money spent? Did the daughter use some of this loan for living expenses and tuition??

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On 8/5/2014 reiki604 said:
On 8/5/2014 happy housewife said:
On 8/5/2014 Marienkaefer2 said:
On 8/5/2014 NoelSeven said:
On 8/5/2014 Marienkaefer2 said:

I really think it depends on where you live.

In our state, the two year nursing programs are highly regarded and students do find employment. In fact, the waiting lists are long to get into these programs.

Of course, to further your career, a four year degree or beyond is optimal. However, I think a master's is really only recommended if you want to get into the administrative side of things.

But like I said, that's here. I'm sure it's different in other places.

They're specialized around here and some can prescribe some drugs. I think their title is Nurse Practitioner, I saw one for an eye infection once. They also give routine GYN exams if that's their area of expertise.

Oh yes, nurse practitioner. Thanks for reminding me, Noel!

Mine has ARNP after her name. I forget, because I just think of her as "my doctor!" Smiley Happy

She is my PCP, I see her for everything. The only thing she can't do is admit me to a hospital. She has a partnership with and MD for that.

ALL Nurse practitioners have to work with a physician overlooking them. The doctors do a lot more than just admitting to hospitals.

In general there is a lot of misinformation on this thread. Any nurse who says she can't find a job is simply not really trying. Every level of nurses are in demand all over the country, from AD to MSN or even PhD.

With all due respect hh, you have been out of the profession for many years now. In my area a BSN is the minimal requirement for employment. I have been instructed by upper management not to bother interviewing anyone without a BSN. Nursing is not the same profession you entered and retired from. I have been a RN for 33 years and am still working. I have a BS in healthcare management as well as a BSN. I am working on my MSN as a requirement for my job. I would appreciate it if you did not infer that you know more than those of us who are still in the field.

One of my oldest friends daughter just graduated from community college with an AD in nursing - I was at her graduation - everyone in her class had a job - and they had not even taken boards yet. There is a place for every level of nurse in our profession. You work in one place - that isn't the whole world or every job in this profession.

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On 8/5/2014 gidgetgoeshawaiian said: I think we had a thread on this last week. My opinion is that if you co-sign the loan, you're as responsible for the loan as the primary signer. I don't side with the parents on this.
Agree. Co-signer is responsible if the primary signer can't pay back the loan. That's why a lot of people are wary of co-signing a loan.
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On 8/5/2014 happy housewife said:
On 8/5/2014 reiki604 said:
On 8/5/2014 happy housewife said:
On 8/5/2014 Marienkaefer2 said:
On 8/5/2014 NoelSeven said:
On 8/5/2014 Marienkaefer2 said:

I really think it depends on where you live.

In our state, the two year nursing programs are highly regarded and students do find employment. In fact, the waiting lists are long to get into these programs.

Of course, to further your career, a four year degree or beyond is optimal. However, I think a master's is really only recommended if you want to get into the administrative side of things.

But like I said, that's here. I'm sure it's different in other places.

They're specialized around here and some can prescribe some drugs. I think their title is Nurse Practitioner, I saw one for an eye infection once. They also give routine GYN exams if that's their area of expertise.

Oh yes, nurse practitioner. Thanks for reminding me, Noel!

Mine has ARNP after her name. I forget, because I just think of her as "my doctor!" Smiley Happy

She is my PCP, I see her for everything. The only thing she can't do is admit me to a hospital. She has a partnership with and MD for that.

ALL Nurse practitioners have to work with a physician overlooking them. The doctors do a lot more than just admitting to hospitals.

In general there is a lot of misinformation on this thread. Any nurse who says she can't find a job is simply not really trying. Every level of nurses are in demand all over the country, from AD to MSN or even PhD.

With all due respect hh, you have been out of the profession for many years now. In my area a BSN is the minimal requirement for employment. I have been instructed by upper management not to bother interviewing anyone without a BSN. Nursing is not the same profession you entered and retired from. I have been a RN for 33 years and am still working. I have a BS in healthcare management as well as a BSN. I am working on my MSN as a requirement for my job. I would appreciate it if you did not infer that you know more than those of us who are still in the field.

One of my oldest friends daughter just graduated from community college with an AD in nursing - I was at her graduation - everyone in her class had a job - and they had not even taken boards yet. There is a place for every level of nurse in our profession. You work in one place - that isn't the whole world or every job in this profession.

i congratulate them on their graduations and they should be extremely grateful that they do not live in NY or Long Island or Westchester or any of the surrounding areas or they would be unemployed.


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On 8/5/2014 kachina624 said: Parent co-sign a student loan for their daughter to attend nursing school. Daughter dies unexpectly and now parents are complaining about having to repay her $100,000 loan. They say nobody got any benefit from her education so they shouldn't have to pay. Are they right or wrong?

Try not paying a loan from any bank regardless of the circumstances. If the money was borrowed and not repaid? That is one reason a good life insurance policy is not only for "the elders" of the world.

I think they co-signed and as with any co-signer they should know that if the primary signer does not pay?? Best get all the legal info before co-signing for anyone, period.

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I would never co-sign a loan for another person, whether my child or anyone else, that I wouldn't have a plan in place to back it up, if necessary.

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Well I see that they are all over the news with their grief and their "crushing debt due to the loan."

So I'm sure they are hoping either to shame the bank into writing it off or for others to step forward to pay it off for them - I'm sure all contributions are welcome.

http://wtkr.com/2014/07/29/grieving-parents-crushed-by-daughters-200000-in-student-loans/

I hadn't realized that if this were a Federal Student Loan, it would be "discharged."

So great that the taxpayers are so generous. Kind of like the family on the cruise - no need to have insurance - someone else will pay.