Re: Question About Dual Citizenship

Maudelyn · ‎09-08-2016

@songbird wrote:
U.S. parents that adopt foreign born children have to go through a process that gives them U.S.Citizenship. Years ago a couple adopted a German child. Yet neglected to process citizenship. She grew up, got a driver's licence, voted and then....& at 19 had the misfortune to pick a fight with someone over a boyfriend. When the police came in, realized she was not a citizen (now with a felon tied to her name) tried to deport her to a country she does not know, language,family, etc.

I remember seeing the story on TV. Still don't know what ever happened to her.

Get ready to see and hear more and more of this. Removal of DACA (which is at the top of the priority list) will send millions back to countries they've never lived in. Good luck to us all.

songbird · ‎03-21-2010

@jaxs mom wrote:
@Isobel Archer wrote:
Well after googling - which seems to be at least one way to find out - it seems that while the US does not favor dual citizenship, the Supreme Court has ruled that it is allowed. This is true either for an immigrant from another country retaining original citizenship and a person born here who decides to also swear allegience to another country.

So if the mother's other country allows the child to be a citizen, then I guess it would have dual citizenship (if born here).

It is also true apparently that the State Department may not be able to help those with dual citizenship if they run into trouble in their other country. Also, people with dual citizenship may be denied security clearances etc., if the dual citizenship is with countries we consider enemies as one of the requirements of citizenship anywhere is to claim allegience to that country and conflicting allegiences can send us back to the situation with the Japanese Americans (and I don't know how may -if any - had dual citizenship, but for those who did, internment doesn't seem like the evil it would other wise have beeen if they had renounced that citizenship - and this could come up again with dual citizens say of Iran or other state sponsors of terror against the US.)
Of course it's allowed. My husband is US born and has dual citizenship. In fact he also could have citizenship with 2 other countries in addition if he applied for it.

You are correct. While I have duel citizenship, it's on my Italian side. Since Italy is very clear about duel citizenship. I became a U.S.citizen while under the age of 16 when my parent did. I have not used my Italian passport and never updated it. I use my American one while visiting Italy. My Italian born brother has security. clearance where he works. He is a U.S. citizen. after all. Emotionally I have ties to Italy though I have them to the U.S. too. I'm very Americanized. But become very Italian when I set foot on Italian soil.!

Andreatoo · ‎04-04-2014

@songbird wrote:
U.S. parents that adopt foreign born children have to go through a process that gives them U.S.Citizenship. Years ago a couple adopted a German child. Yet neglected to process citizenship. She grew up, got a driver's licence, voted and then....& at 19 had the misfortune to pick a fight with someone over a boyfriend. When the police came in, realized she was not a citizen (now with a felon tied to her name) tried to deport her to a country she does not know, language,family, etc.

I remember seeing the story on TV. Still don't know what ever happened to her.

@songbird

Unfortunately there are many stories like that one! I read one recently where the man was adopted, along with his sister, from Korea when he was 3. The adoptive parents shortly thereafter decided they didn't want either child and put them in the system to be passed around until he aged out. He got in to some trouble when he was in his early 20s but at around 40 now, is married with 4 children and a great job.

He is presently in a detention center awaiting deportation back to a country where he doesn't even speak the language!

songbird · ‎03-21-2010

@Andreatoo wrote:
@songbird wrote:
U.S. parents that adopt foreign born children have to go through a process that gives them U.S.Citizenship. Years ago a couple adopted a German child. Yet neglected to process citizenship. She grew up, got a driver's licence, voted and then....& at 19 had the misfortune to pick a fight with someone over a boyfriend. When the police came in, realized she was not a citizen (now with a felon tied to her name) tried to deport her to a country she does not know, language,family, etc.

I remember seeing the story on TV. Still don't know what ever happened to her.
@songbird
Unfortunately there are many stories like that one! I read one recently where the man was adopted, along with his sister, from Korea when he was 3. The adoptive shortly thereafter decided they didn't want either child and put them in the system to be passed around until he aged out. He got in to some trouble when he was in his early 20s but at around 40 now, is married with 4 children and a great job.
He is presently in a detention center awaiting deportation back to a country where he doesn't even speak the language!

I found out what happened to that girl. Her name was Mary Anne Gerhis. Adopted as a baby. She got arrested for pulling another girl's hair. U,S., State department was going to put her on a plane to Germany. She was granted a pardon. And was sworn in as a U.S. citizen. I blame her parents for that oversight. Someone gave birth to her in Germany and abandoned her before being placed in an orphanage.

Perkup · ‎03-09-2010

@Mrsq2022 wrote:
@Perkup wrote:
@Mrsq2022 wrote:
@Perkup wrote:

@chrystaltree wrote:
Huh? Yeah, I'm doubting that the situation really exists...lol Duhh....since the baby will be born here, the child will be a US citizen. As for dual citizenship re the country the mother is from, that's not up to the US. That's up to the country in question. Why would anyone need to look it up....it's common sense,.
So what is your assumption? Do you think I spent my Christmas trying to decide what sort of question I could ask
to maybe draw attention to myself? Of do you think I am that stupid? Duhh????? Everyone - even me - knows that a child born here is a U.S. citizen. Do you think that is what I was asking? I asked a sensible question from a lovely aging neighbor whom I love and respect. Shame on me? Oh, no! Shame on you for being so flippant and assuming that others are ignorant.

And thanks to everyone else who made a sincere effort to answer a question from a concerned handicapped lady.
I suppose it's just out of curiosity, but not sure why anyone would be concerned with the citizenship of a neighbors, great-nephews, partners so-to-be baby. The baby won't have dual citizenship unless the mother applies for it and receives it in the "other country". US -born is US citizen.
To address your curiosity, I wonder why it would seem so strange that I would want to help answer a queston for a woman, well past 90, who is handicapped and who has a real interest in her family, and wants to hear an answer to something on her mind. I love and respect her - she has been much like a Mother to me, and there is almost nothing I would not do for her. She is nearly blind and hears very little.

I have to wonder why people (a couple on here) would question why I asked this question, I did so feeling sure that the people here who are well intentioned and want to help, would answer if they could. I don't need any more stupid remarks from the rest of you, in whom I have no interest.
My remark isn't stupid. Your neighbor and you are gossiping, and if she wants to know the answer she could call her great-nephew's partner and ask her. She likely knows exactly what the citizenship of her child will be.

Spoiler

Apparently you do not understand gossip. Gossip is telling something about someone else (a specific person) which does not need to be told - either true or untrue, Defined by others who know better as "chatter or repeat of idle talk and rumors, especially about the private affairs of others." This precious elderly lady cannot use the phone as she can barely hear, and she cannot write since she can barely see. She has no computer. So she asked someone she knows she can trust to help her understand something. I have not revealed her name, nor do you know mine. You have no knowledge of the parties involved. It wou;d appear that you have no close, trustworthy friends. And it would also appear tome that you do not understand how this, or any other Board works (or should work). May I politely ask that you go to another thread and try to insult someone else. It's not working with me. I know that I am trying to help someone who cannot help themselves. What is it in you that requires everything to have a negative aura? I am very sorry for you.

Kachina624 · ‎03-10-2010

@chrystaltree wrote:
Huh? Yeah, I'm doubting that the situation really exists...lol Duhh....since the baby will be born here, the child will be a US citizen. As for dual citizenship re the country the mother is from, that's not up to the US. That's up to the country in question. Why would anyone need to look it up....it's common sense,.

@chrystaltree Actually, I imagine the situation is quite common. One needs to research the laws in the mother's country.

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Silver Lining · ‎04-16-2010

My mother is English and married an American. My mother gave birth to my sister in England. When they came to the U.S. they both had duel citzenship. I was born in America but do not have duel citizenship although my mother and sister do.

Andreatoo · ‎04-04-2014

@songbird
I find it appalling that children are so disregarded! And even more so that a certain contingency is now taking advantage of that fact

Marienkaefer2 · ‎03-09-2010

I think this is a bogus question. I'm sure the young woman knows about the citzenship of her as yet unborn baby.

Everyone from another country knows the regs from their country. I have friends from Italy, Ireland, and other countries, who are married to Americans, and they all knew about their children's citzenship status.

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151949 · ‎03-09-2010

@songbird wrote:
@jaxs mom wrote:
@Isobel Archer wrote:
Well after googling - which seems to be at least one way to find out - it seems that while the US does not favor dual citizenship, the Supreme Court has ruled that it is allowed. This is true either for an immigrant from another country retaining original citizenship and a person born here who decides to also swear allegience to another country.

So if the mother's other country allows the child to be a citizen, then I guess it would have dual citizenship (if born here).

It is also true apparently that the State Department may not be able to help those with dual citizenship if they run into trouble in their other country. Also, people with dual citizenship may be denied security clearances etc., if the dual citizenship is with countries we consider enemies as one of the requirements of citizenship anywhere is to claim allegience to that country and conflicting allegiences can send us back to the situation with the Japanese Americans (and I don't know how may -if any - had dual citizenship, but for those who did, internment doesn't seem like the evil it would other wise have beeen if they had renounced that citizenship - and this could come up again with dual citizens say of Iran or other state sponsors of terror against the US.)
Of course it's allowed. My husband is US born and has dual citizenship. In fact he also could have citizenship with 2 other countries in addition if he applied for it.
You are correct. While I have duel citizenship, it's on my Italian side. Since Italy is very clear about duel citizenship. I became a U.S.citizen while under the age of 16 when my parent did. I have not used my Italian passport and never updated it. I use my American one while visiting Italy. My Italian born brother has security. clearance where he works. He is a U.S. citizen. after all. Emotionally I have ties to Italy though I have them to the U.S. too. I'm very Americanized. But become very Italian when I set foot on Italian soil.!

It is illegal to have two passports even if you have "duel citizenship" You MUST chose one to be your legal residence. The USA does not legally recognize duel citizenship but also does not do anything about it if someone has it , but you can't under any country's law have passports from more than one country, and you can't vote in more than one country. Those things are breaking the law and you could go to prison.