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[suzyQ3]

On 10/16/2014 mominohio said:

On 10/16/2014 suzyQ3 said:

On 10/16/2014 mominohio said:

Here we go again, with the flu shot zealots demanding what others are to do with their bodies. If you feel the vaccines are safe, then take them, but don't fool yourself into thinking that you can control/shame/bully others into doing it too. Sick people (with flu and other common illnesses) need to stay home, and quit drugging up their kids to send them to school (when they don't register a fever, they let them in, so parents who don't want to miss work give the meds and drop them off at school).

Just because more people are afflicted by/die from flu doesn't diminish the fact that we need to pay attention to Ebola, and do what is necessary to stop it in it's tracks. It just hasn't gotten as prevalent as the flu YET.

Thank you for actually underscoring the importance of the flu vaccine. It's so true that thousands upon thousands die annually from the that year's particular virus. Thank goodness that so many do not die because we have a vaccine that can help prevent many deaths as well as complications from what can be such a serious bout of illness.

As for zealots, well, I don't know about that. But if one has ever had a loved one die or became catastrophically ill from the flu, I guess that sort of would make a person more likely to take precautions.

And the more people who do have some immunity derived from the vaccine, the fewer people will have to endure the possible consequences of the virus.

Oh, and btw, this thing about sick people staying home? Good idea. But oops:

Most healthy adults may be able to infect other people beginning 1 day before symptoms develop and up to 5 to 7 days after becoming sick. Children may pass the virus for longer than 7 days. Symptoms start 1 to 4 days after the virus enters the body. That means that you may be able to pass on the flu to someone else before you know you are sick, as well as while you are sick. Some people can be infected with the flu virus but have no symptoms. During this time, those persons may still spread the virus to others. (CDC)

The vaccine is mostly important to those in high risk professions (health care) or those with compromised immune systems. I continue to refuse to buy into the hype the pharma/medical profession puts out about a vaccine who's effectiveness is extremely variable based on several factors including age, general health, and the luck that it was manufactured to match the flu that presents.

And once again, if you don't get sick, like I don't with the flu, then you are no more risk to others than those of you who get your shot.

I don't even know what this means. You never get the flu, or you don't get very ill when you get the flu?

Either way, stuff happens. If you've never had the flu, you may get it next year or the year after. If you don't get very sick with the flu, you may become seriously ill in the future from the flu.

And it is no longer just a major problem for the aging population. The recent flu viruses have really hit younger groups very hard.

No one claims that the flu vaccine is 100 percent. No one. But it is effective, and it is as safe if not more so than most prescribed medications as long as one is not in a group that should not be immunized.

It's your choice, and you've made it. I hope others make a different choice that will help them and the rest of us.

[Mominohio]

On 10/16/2014 suzyQ3 said:

On 10/16/2014 mominohio said:

On 10/16/2014 suzyQ3 said:

On 10/16/2014 mominohio said:

Here we go again, with the flu shot zealots demanding what others are to do with their bodies. If you feel the vaccines are safe, then take them, but don't fool yourself into thinking that you can control/shame/bully others into doing it too. Sick people (with flu and other common illnesses) need to stay home, and quit drugging up their kids to send them to school (when they don't register a fever, they let them in, so parents who don't want to miss work give the meds and drop them off at school).

Just because more people are afflicted by/die from flu doesn't diminish the fact that we need to pay attention to Ebola, and do what is necessary to stop it in it's tracks. It just hasn't gotten as prevalent as the flu YET.

Thank you for actually underscoring the importance of the flu vaccine. It's so true that thousands upon thousands die annually from the that year's particular virus. Thank goodness that so many do not die because we have a vaccine that can help prevent many deaths as well as complications from what can be such a serious bout of illness.

As for zealots, well, I don't know about that. But if one has ever had a loved one die or became catastrophically ill from the flu, I guess that sort of would make a person more likely to take precautions.

And the more people who do have some immunity derived from the vaccine, the fewer people will have to endure the possible consequences of the virus.

Oh, and btw, this thing about sick people staying home? Good idea. But oops:

Most healthy adults may be able to infect other people beginning 1 day before symptoms develop and up to 5 to 7 days after becoming sick. Children may pass the virus for longer than 7 days. Symptoms start 1 to 4 days after the virus enters the body. That means that you may be able to pass on the flu to someone else before you know you are sick, as well as while you are sick. Some people can be infected with the flu virus but have no symptoms. During this time, those persons may still spread the virus to others. (CDC)

The vaccine is mostly important to those in high risk professions (health care) or those with compromised immune systems. I continue to refuse to buy into the hype the pharma/medical profession puts out about a vaccine who's effectiveness is extremely variable based on several factors including age, general health, and the luck that it was manufactured to match the flu that presents.

And once again, if you don't get sick, like I don't with the flu, then you are no more risk to others than those of you who get your shot.

I don't even know what this means. You never get the flu, or you don't get very ill when you get the flu?

Either way, stuff happens. If you've never had the flu, you may get it next year or the year after. If you don't get very sick with the flu, you may become seriously ill in the future from the flu.

And it is no longer just a major problem for the aging population. The recent flu viruses have really hit younger groups very hard.

No one claims that the flu vaccine is 100 percent. No one. But it is effective, and it is as safe if not more so than most prescribed medications as long as one is not in a group that should not be immunized.

It's your choice, and you've made it. I hope others make a different choice that will help them and the rest of us.

I don't get the flu. And I hope others don't feel pressured by bullies like you to inject something in their bodies that they aren't comfortable with.

Get real, we are adults and can make our own decisions. And the safety of the vaccine in the long term, well the jury is still out on that one.

[PAX]

On 10/16/2014 Jig Saw said:

On 10/16/2014 suzyQ3 said:

On 10/16/2014 Jig Saw said:

Hmmmm so I guess this comment is wrong.

<em> "On average, 124 people die of the flu every year."</em>

Source, please.

I don't know ask Georgie.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5933a1.htm

I misread the chart. The number is much higher. I won't chance misreading it again, so you'll have to read it for yourself.

[biancardi]

On 10/16/2014 kdgn said:

It was a good, rational article and it needed to be said.

yes it was. And anyone who doesn't jump on the ebola-fear bandwagon is accused of name calling and holding grudges.

[PAX]

On 10/16/2014 biancardi said:

On 10/16/2014 kdgn said:

It was a good, rational article and it needed to be said.

yes it was. And anyone who doesn't jump on the ebola-fear bandwagon is accused of name calling and holding grudges.

Who cares what anyone here thinks. Get the shot or don't get the shot, not my problem.

[biancardi]

On 10/16/2014 Georgie the 5th said:

On 10/16/2014 biancardi said:

On 10/16/2014 kdgn said:

It was a good, rational article and it needed to be said.

yes it was. And anyone who doesn't jump on the ebola-fear bandwagon is accused of name calling and holding grudges.

Who cares what anyone here thinks. Get the shot or don't get the shot, not my problem.

??? I wasn't referring to you. I don't understand your comment to me.

[jubilant]

Does anyone know just how well the flu shot works? I heard this last year and don't remember. Was it 50% effective in those who received it or something like that? Has that number increased in a year??????

[jubilant]

I am on my way out the door soon to get one and I would like to know before I go....

[jubilant]

Never mind....I found it. It is 52%.

[mstyrion 1]

On 10/16/2014 mominohio said:

On 10/16/2014 suzyQ3 said:

On 10/16/2014 mominohio said:

On 10/16/2014 suzyQ3 said:

On 10/16/2014 mominohio said:

Here we go again, with the flu shot zealots demanding what others are to do with their bodies. If you feel the vaccines are safe, then take them, but don't fool yourself into thinking that you can control/shame/bully others into doing it too. Sick people (with flu and other common illnesses) need to stay home, and quit drugging up their kids to send them to school (when they don't register a fever, they let them in, so parents who don't want to miss work give the meds and drop them off at school).

Just because more people are afflicted by/die from flu doesn't diminish the fact that we need to pay attention to Ebola, and do what is necessary to stop it in it's tracks. It just hasn't gotten as prevalent as the flu YET.

Thank you for actually underscoring the importance of the flu vaccine. It's so true that thousands upon thousands die annually from the that year's particular virus. Thank goodness that so many do not die because we have a vaccine that can help prevent many deaths as well as complications from what can be such a serious bout of illness.

As for zealots, well, I don't know about that. But if one has ever had a loved one die or became catastrophically ill from the flu, I guess that sort of would make a person more likely to take precautions.

And the more people who do have some immunity derived from the vaccine, the fewer people will have to endure the possible consequences of the virus.

Oh, and btw, this thing about sick people staying home? Good idea. But oops:

Most healthy adults may be able to infect other people beginning 1 day before symptoms develop and up to 5 to 7 days after becoming sick. Children may pass the virus for longer than 7 days. Symptoms start 1 to 4 days after the virus enters the body. That means that you may be able to pass on the flu to someone else before you know you are sick, as well as while you are sick. Some people can be infected with the flu virus but have no symptoms. During this time, those persons may still spread the virus to others. (CDC)

The vaccine is mostly important to those in high risk professions (health care) or those with compromised immune systems. I continue to refuse to buy into the hype the pharma/medical profession puts out about a vaccine who's effectiveness is extremely variable based on several factors including age, general health, and the luck that it was manufactured to match the flu that presents.

And once again, if you don't get sick, like I don't with the flu, then you are no more risk to others than those of you who get your shot.

I don't even know what this means. You never get the flu, or you don't get very ill when you get the flu?

Either way, stuff happens. If you've never had the flu, you may get it next year or the year after. If you don't get very sick with the flu, you may become seriously ill in the future from the flu.

And it is no longer just a major problem for the aging population. The recent flu viruses have really hit younger groups very hard.

No one claims that the flu vaccine is 100 percent. No one. But it is effective, and it is as safe if not more so than most prescribed medications as long as one is not in a group that should not be immunized.

It's your choice, and you've made it. I hope others make a different choice that will help them and the rest of us.

I don't get the flu. And I hope others don't feel pressured by bullies like you to inject something in their bodies that they aren't comfortable with.

Get real, we are adults and can make our own decisions. And the safety of the vaccine in the long term, well the jury is still out on that one.

This is why it is difficult to have good discussions around here.

Instead of continuing a debate, a personal attack is made. Result? Debate over. Attacker no longer has credibility. Thread soon disappears.