Re: Prince Andrew

Nancy Drew · ‎03-11-2010

@Lakelife62 wrote:
@Nancy Drew wrote:
I think one thing we can all agree on is Andrew was the only one who participated. We all want the other names. This has been going many, many years and we only have suspicions. Frustrating to say the least. If you go political it will come back on both sides. You can't accuse one side with out the other side being accused. That is why I won't go there. For one thing the real perpetrators get off and the innocents get accused unfairly. It's a mess.
This isn't political. This is human trafficking. I don't care what side of the aisle you are on politically. If you raped young girls you should be held accountable.Nobody I know is concerned that someone from "our side" was involved in these crimes. We want them to face justice. There's only one group actively covering this up and its sickening.

@Lakelife62 You missed my point totally. You did exactly what I knew was going to happen. You pitted us verses them when it should be just us. Some posters can't ever agree on anything and that makes them silly to me.

Wrong is still wrong just because you benefited from it.

Lakelife62 · ‎05-09-2023

@nevergivesup wrote:
Absolutely@Lakelife62. Let the chips fall where they may regardless of social position, money or political party. G. Maxwell was a monster and has been moved to a cushy facility. Everyone should be horrified but apparently not. These predators knew exactly who to targ et and she groomed the young victims and served them up. With all their wealth and advantages in life, this is what they chose to do. I hope there is justice in the next life because it's not happening here..

I believe there is going to be justice in this life. The facts can't be covered up forever. If you read the book, you will see how pervasive this was and how all the players (some un-named because of VGs fear of retribution) knew each other and played together in the same circles. Andrew is just the first to feel the full weight of what happened. Guarantee there will be others and soon. The coverup cannot go on indefinitely.

Lakelife62 · ‎05-09-2023

@Nancy Drew wrote:
@Lakelife62 wrote:
@Nancy Drew wrote:
I think one thing we can all agree on is Andrew was the only one who participated. We all want the other names. This has been going many, many years and we only have suspicions. Frustrating to say the least. If you go political it will come back on both sides. You can't accuse one side with out the other side being accused. That is why I won't go there. For one thing the real perpetrators get off and the innocents get accused unfairly. It's a mess.
This isn't political. This is human trafficking. I don't care what side of the aisle you are on politically. If you raped young girls you should be held accountable.Nobody I know is concerned that someone from "our side" was involved in these crimes. We want them to face justice. There's only one group actively covering this up and its sickening.
@Lakelife62 You missed my point totally. You did exactly what I knew was going to happen. You pitted us verses them when it should be just us.

It's not all of us covering up the crimes. The files are being held secretly to the point one branch of government isn't even showing up for work. Human trafficking is not political, but some certainly have done their best to make it that way.

Sooner · ‎03-10-2010

@Tinkrbl44 wrote:
@tansy wrote:

@kaydee50 wrote:
@Tinkrbl44 Agree 100%. He was born to a queen. I would think that makes him a prince regardless of what he's done. And Liz may have been regarded highly by her subjects but except for perhaps Anne she seems to be a failure as a mother.

Also agree that "royalty" is obsolete.

The queen deserves credit for how she led by example during WWII but otherwise not so much. I doubt she had a model childhood.

@tansy

Charles was barely a toddler when she went off and was gone for about 6 months.

"Doing her duty", I guess.

What about her duty as a mother?

I'm paraphrasing here, but Jacqueline Kennedy has said it doesn't matter what else you do if you are a failure as a mother.

@Tinkrbl44 If you are the crowned head of acountry, your duty is to God, Country and Family in that order. It isn't a job for the everyone. England can think God Queen Elizabeth was the perfect person for the country. They were blessed to have her.

Jackie could say that because she wasn't running a country and because nobody was counting up the days she was out of the country without the kids. She had no room to talk about anyone leaving their kids home with others.

Nancy Drew · ‎03-11-2010

@Lakelife62 wrote:
@Nancy Drew wrote:
@Lakelife62 wrote:
@Nancy Drew wrote:
I think one thing we can all agree on is Andrew was the only one who participated. We all want the other names. This has been going many, many years and we only have suspicions. Frustrating to say the least. If you go political it will come back on both sides. You can't accuse one side with out the other side being accused. That is why I won't go there. For one thing the real perpetrators get off and the innocents get accused unfairly. It's a mess.
This isn't political. This is human trafficking. I don't care what side of the aisle you are on politically. If you raped young girls you should be held accountable.Nobody I know is concerned that someone from "our side" was involved in these crimes. We want them to face justice. There's only one group actively covering this up and its sickening.
@Lakelife62 You missed my point totally. You did exactly what I knew was going to happen. You pitted us verses them when it should be just us.
It's not all of us covering up the crimes. The files are being held secretly to the point one branch of government isn't even showing up for work. Human trafficking is not political, but some certainly have done their best to make it that way.

@Lakelife62 We are on the same page about the abuse. The political side I am not debating because I have seen horrible cover ups from plenty of people, You want to right fight. This is too big of an issue for that. We need to prosecute ANYONE who participated and who covered it up before and now. Can YOU say the same?

Wrong is still wrong just because you benefited from it.

nevergivesup · ‎04-24-2010

@Sooner Just to clarify. Jackie Kennedy made that point about wanting to be a good mother, above all else, in a rambling interview about her own life. Queen Elizabeth was never mentioned or referred to at all. It's not accurate to imply in any way that she was making a dig at the Queen or anybody else for that matter.

Lakelife62 · ‎05-09-2023

@Nancy Drew wrote:
@Lakelife62 wrote:
@Nancy Drew wrote:
@Lakelife62 wrote:
@Nancy Drew wrote:
I think one thing we can all agree on is Andrew was the only one who participated. We all want the other names. This has been going many, many years and we only have suspicions. Frustrating to say the least. If you go political it will come back on both sides. You can't accuse one side with out the other side being accused. That is why I won't go there. For one thing the real perpetrators get off and the innocents get accused unfairly. It's a mess.
This isn't political. This is human trafficking. I don't care what side of the aisle you are on politically. If you raped young girls you should be held accountable.Nobody I know is concerned that someone from "our side" was involved in these crimes. We want them to face justice. There's only one group actively covering this up and its sickening.
@Lakelife62 You missed my point totally. You did exactly what I knew was going to happen. You pitted us verses them when it should be just us.
It's not all of us covering up the crimes. The files are being held secretly to the point one branch of government isn't even showing up for work. Human trafficking is not political, but some certainly have done their best to make it that way.
@Lakelife62 We are on the same page about the abuse. The political side I am not debating because I have seen horrible cover ups from plenty of people, You want to right fight. This is too big of an issue for that. We need to prosecute ANYONE who participated and who covered it up before and now. Can YOU say the same?

I've already said it. I don't care who committed crimes. I don't care if it was Obama or the Pope. If they raped youngsters, they should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

There is no debate about any other coverup. We are talking about THIS coverup. Why is the info being kept under lock and key? I have an idea why. There are incriminating pictures.

That said, my commplaint with the Royal Family in the Prince Andrew situation is that they stripped him of ceremonial bs. What they should have done is forced him to speak to law enforcement about what he knows. That would be the right thing to do. Not move him from one palace to another and ask him not to use a title. There efforts are weak and point to coverup rather than genuine concern for victims.

tansy · ‎01-02-2011

I want all of the people involved with the girls to pay dearly. What has become obvious is that a former president and others associated with that party are probably not guilty because we all know this administration would expose them in a nanosecond.

Sooner · ‎03-10-2010

To be quite honest, in this country a lot of people from both sides have skated on this and it goes back a long way.

The best we can do is go forward. To do otherwise would be catastrophic for everyone and for our system and economy, and status in the world. Sometimes you have to punt. And before you start to scream some of them are little darlings in this country as well as people YOU don't like.

Don't cut off your nose to spite your face sort of thing. I'm not saying I like it, but realistically, it will only lead to worse. And it's a case of moral values and where the country goes forward and what we value and what we demand and punish. And that really is the crux of the matter. What the citizens see as right and wrong. And what we demand.

Cakers3 · ‎06-17-2015

@Nancy Drew. No she cannot because all she ever does insert her "correct" political views. Even to the point of having hope when posters agree with her.

I never see compassion here for posters suffering.

The only time she shows up is to denigrate others and right fight.

@Lakelife62 This ongoing political fighting is getting weary. Nobody is right if everyone is wrong. There's much to be fixed and dialogues filled with blame are not the answer

We have a shelter here for trafficking, mostly for children and teens who have lost their families. Some are morhers with sexually abused children.

If you think Epstein et al are the only issue, think again because you hatred, admit it, for the current has blinded you to the whole picture.
Never are "other side persons" mentioned.

Come on down where I am and see these shelters. Guarantee you will not be trying to be all that and will realize it isn't about political party.

It's about suffering and no one person or party is wholly responsible.

Do something instead of denigrating posters and trying to present information which is not always correct.

Do something to comfort, to volunteer, to hold the hands of the truly hurt and offer understanding instead of rehashing opinions on a shopping board.

Because I will tell you once you see even one, your life will change.
If not, there is no dealing with you.

See my siggie. Do something instead of just talking.

"" Compassion is a verb."-Thich Nhat Hanh