Paris Shooting and Bombing - Page 32

Stray · ‎04-20-2013

@Moonchilde wrote:
@Greenhouse wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:
@terrier3 wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@terrier3 wrote:
All it takes is a few dozen fanatics obsessed with death & destruction.

This is a low tech - a few guns and homemade bombs filled with nails...in the hands of people who are only not afraid to die for their cause - they welcome death.

To me the question is WHY are people turning to this - killing strangers and then killing themselves in the process? And what can we do to make them see a better way.
Here lies one problem with 'fighting' this type of war. Some people (and groups) cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be negotiated with, they cannot be compromised with.

So many Americans think that these kind of people are raised to sympathize, empathize, to be tolerant, accepting, and rational. They are not. To try to find a way to do such things with these people only cost more lives.
The problem is that THEY are US.
THEY are here already. THEY are not just people of Middle Eastern heritage.
THEY are fanatics - fueled on by propaganda they see on the internet.

May I repeat - THEY are here - and many of our children are being drawn to their warped thinking...and are being recruited daily.
ITA.
It's shocking to me how people don't see this....or understand this.
Dovetails w/ the responses about Syrian refugees to the US. The refugees have nothing to do with the people...they are escaping from. Why can't people see this? Innocent people needing help to save their lives.
Because they all aren't in innocent refugees

So in fear of what one in a thousand *might* do/be, let the rest of them starve? And let the rest of them, women and children, remember who could have helped them and didn't? Remember when *they* are adults. Yet some kindness might make a world of difference, now and in the future.

Economically, we can't. Woman and children are trained to be terrorists too and how would you screen them? ...how would you watch them? We are governed by laws protecting privacy and as said earlier, we are politically correct to the point of absurdity. The Arabian Peninsula and Middle Eastern countries must step up to the plate. I walk through NYC and see bread lines, veterans forced to beg and seniors and the poor living in places with no heat or plumbing....you see the same in many large American cities....The USA can no longer handle a crisis of humanity alone. Germany has helped but the economy is better.... We can't be the worlds police nor can we open our borders to all no matter where they come from

Moonchilde · ‎05-23-2010

@Greenhouse wrote:
@Moonchilde wrote:
@Greenhouse wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:
@terrier3 wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@terrier3 wrote:
All it takes is a few dozen fanatics obsessed with death & destruction.

This is a low tech - a few guns and homemade bombs filled with nails...in the hands of people who are only not afraid to die for their cause - they welcome death.

To me the question is WHY are people turning to this - killing strangers and then killing themselves in the process? And what can we do to make them see a better way.
Here lies one problem with 'fighting' this type of war. Some people (and groups) cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be negotiated with, they cannot be compromised with.

So many Americans think that these kind of people are raised to sympathize, empathize, to be tolerant, accepting, and rational. They are not. To try to find a way to do such things with these people only cost more lives.
The problem is that THEY are US.
THEY are here already. THEY are not just people of Middle Eastern heritage.
THEY are fanatics - fueled on by propaganda they see on the internet.

May I repeat - THEY are here - and many of our children are being drawn to their warped thinking...and are being recruited daily.
ITA.
It's shocking to me how people don't see this....or understand this.
Dovetails w/ the responses about Syrian refugees to the US. The refugees have nothing to do with the people...they are escaping from. Why can't people see this? Innocent people needing help to save their lives.
Because they all aren't in innocent refugees

So in fear of what one in a thousand *might* do/be, let the rest of them starve? And let the rest of them, women and children, remember who could have helped them and didn't? Remember when *they* are adults. Yet some kindness might make a world of difference, now and in the future.
Economically, we can't. Woman and children are trained to be terrorists too and how would you screen them? ...how would you watch them? We are governed by laws protecting privacy and as said earlier, we are politically correct to the point of absurdity. The Arabian Peninsula and Middle Eastern countries must step up to the plate. I walk through NYC and see bread lines, veterans forced to beg and seniors and the poor living in places with no heat or plumbing....you see the same in many large American cities....The USA can no longer handle a crisis of humanity alone. Germany has helped but the economy is better.... We can't be the worlds police nor can we open our borders to all no matter where they come from

I'm puzzled here. The US has not attempted to open the floodgates and allow tens of thousands of Middle Eastern refugees in to live in the US.

I get the "feed your own first" thing, but where do you draw the line? Don't spend money in Haiti after the earthquake, there are hungry people in the US? Don't send aid to South Asia after the tsunami, or to Nepal, because Americans need help. Who decides what is a "worthy" group to help? There were Muslims in South Asia who received US aid. Most Haitians practice Voudou as much as Christianity. The Nepalese are Buddhist. The US gave millions to help all of these non-Christian people, and yes, they did it while we still have homeless people in the US.

I don't agree with 'don't help any Middle Eastern Refugees because some of them might be terrorists.'

Life without Mexican food is no life at all

italia8140 · ‎10-24-2015

@60sgirl wrote:
@suzyQ3 wrote:
@jubilant wrote:
@aprilskies wrote:
These people need to be stopped and there has to be a collective effort to do so. This is tragic, people just trying to have a little fun. This just can't be life as we know it.
****************** DH and I were talking last night. We both agreed that if only 5-10 people in that concert hall had been carrying a gun, more lives could have been saved. It is my understanding that France has very strict gun control laws and that even some of their policemen don't carry guns. People are not allowed guns for protection of themselves.

Personally, I don't carry a gun but we do have one gun in our home for personal protection. I am for gun control as far as these automatic weapons go) If the government can't protect us, we need some sort of protection for ourselves. If there would have been just a handful of people that had them, maybe more people would have had half a chance. Please, I am not totally against gun control but I am for responsible citizens being able to protect themselves, especially in view of our worlds problems. It's a whole new world....so to speak...and much less safe.
Could you please detail to me how a gun-toting individual would have been able to stop these terrorists?

By the time anyone figured out that something horrible was happening, the shooting was well under way. A person whipping out his gun at that point would be just as likely killed or unwittingly kill an innocent person as he or she would hit one of the attackers.

Whether you are a strong gun rights advocate or a strong gun-control advocate is irelevant. The scenario you seem to depict is not an argument for either side.

she doesn't have to detail anything to you. She was saying something about how she felt. Lots of people know that a handgun cannot stop a terrorist attack designed to kill masses, however, lots of people also believe that if they carry a weapon on their person and someone, anyone, tells them to kneel on the ground or put their hands behind their head, or whatever, if they had a gun on themselves, they might, key word MIGHT, be able to at least in that one second of time, save their own life.

No one has to explain or detail their personal thoughts on these issues. They are entitled to say what they think might make them feel safe staring into the face of death. If it doesn't work and they still die, some may feel that at least they had a slim chance.

100% agree!

italia8140 · ‎10-24-2015

@Greenhouse wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:
@terrier3 wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@terrier3 wrote:
All it takes is a few dozen fanatics obsessed with death & destruction.

This is a low tech - a few guns and homemade bombs filled with nails...in the hands of people who are only not afraid to die for their cause - they welcome death.

To me the question is WHY are people turning to this - killing strangers and then killing themselves in the process? And what can we do to make them see a better way.
Here lies one problem with 'fighting' this type of war. Some people (and groups) cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be negotiated with, they cannot be compromised with.

So many Americans think that these kind of people are raised to sympathize, empathize, to be tolerant, accepting, and rational. They are not. To try to find a way to do such things with these people only cost more lives.
The problem is that THEY are US.
THEY are here already. THEY are not just people of Middle Eastern heritage.
THEY are fanatics - fueled on by propaganda they see on the internet.

May I repeat - THEY are here - and many of our children are being drawn to their warped thinking...and are being recruited daily.
ITA.
It's shocking to me how people don't see this....or understand this.
Dovetails w/ the responses about Syrian refugees to the US. The refugees have nothing to do with the people...they are escaping from. Why can't people see this? Innocent people needing help to save their lives.
Because they all aren't in innocent refugees

EXACTLY. No one can say they know that refugees are innocent. Ridiculous comment.

Plaid Pants2 · ‎03-14-2015

Well, I guess we had better tear down the Statue of Liberty and sell it for scrap metal, if we're not going to let any refugees in.

Stray · ‎04-20-2013

@Moonchilde wrote:
@Greenhouse wrote:
@Moonchilde wrote:
@Greenhouse wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:
@terrier3 wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@terrier3 wrote:
All it takes is a few dozen fanatics obsessed with death & destruction.

This is a low tech - a few guns and homemade bombs filled with nails...in the hands of people who are only not afraid to die for their cause - they welcome death.

To me the question is WHY are people turning to this - killing strangers and then killing themselves in the process? And what can we do to make them see a better way.
Here lies one problem with 'fighting' this type of war. Some people (and groups) cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be negotiated with, they cannot be compromised with.

So many Americans think that these kind of people are raised to sympathize, empathize, to be tolerant, accepting, and rational. They are not. To try to find a way to do such things with these people only cost more lives.
The problem is that THEY are US.
THEY are here already. THEY are not just people of Middle Eastern heritage.
THEY are fanatics - fueled on by propaganda they see on the internet.

May I repeat - THEY are here - and many of our children are being drawn to their warped thinking...and are being recruited daily.
ITA.
It's shocking to me how people don't see this....or understand this.
Dovetails w/ the responses about Syrian refugees to the US. The refugees have nothing to do with the people...they are escaping from. Why can't people see this? Innocent people needing help to save their lives.
Because they all aren't in innocent refugees

So in fear of what one in a thousand *might* do/be, let the rest of them starve? And let the rest of them, women and children, remember who could have helped them and didn't? Remember when *they* are adults. Yet some kindness might make a world of difference, now and in the future.
Economically, we can't. Woman and children are trained to be terrorists too and how would you screen them? ...how would you watch them? We are governed by laws protecting privacy and as said earlier, we are politically correct to the point of absurdity. The Arabian Peninsula and Middle Eastern countries must step up to the plate. I walk through NYC and see bread lines, veterans forced to beg and seniors and the poor living in places with no heat or plumbing....you see the same in many large American cities....The USA can no longer handle a crisis of humanity alone. Germany has helped but the economy is better.... We can't be the worlds police nor can we open our borders to all no matter where they come from

I'm puzzled here. The US has not attempted to open the floodgates and allow tens of thousands of Middle Eastern refugees in to live in the US.

I get the "feed your own first" thing, but where do you draw the line? Don't spend money in Haiti after the earthquake, there are hungry people in the US? Don't send aid to South Asia after the tsunami, or to Nepal, because Americans need help. Who decides what is a "worthy" group to help? There were Muslims in South Asia who received US aid. Most Haitians practice Voudou as much as Christianity. The Nepalese are Buddhist. The US gave millions to help all of these non-Christian people, and yes, they did it while we still have homeless people in the US.

I don't agree with 'don't help any Middle Eastern Refugees because some of them might be terrorists.'

I didn't say don't help them but it doesn't have to be on US soil. This has to be an effort by all civilized countries and Middle Eastern countries must do more. We need, vetting, screening and monitoring of anyone coming to this Country. Yes, others receive aide and I don't factor in religious beliefs as far as who receives such aide but they are not coming here to do harm; they experience conditions in their own countries. All of the refugees are not terrorists but some may be and until we can tell the difference, it is my opinion that our borders should not be porous.

sidsmom · ‎11-25-2011

@Plaid Pants2

👍

I'm sure some would love to cover this

w/ a big red banner that says,

"ONLY THE GOOD ONES PLEASE"

RoughDraft · ‎03-09-2010

Is anyone familiar with the voyage of the St. Louis back in 1939?

~The only difference between this place and the Titanic is that the Titanic had a band.~

60sgirl · ‎11-24-2014

@Greenhouse wrote:
@Moonchilde wrote:
@sidsmom wrote:
@terrier3 wrote:
@Mominohio wrote:
@terrier3 wrote:
All it takes is a few dozen fanatics obsessed with death & destruction.

This is a low tech - a few guns and homemade bombs filled with nails...in the hands of people who are only not afraid to die for their cause - they welcome death.

To me the question is WHY are people turning to this - killing strangers and then killing themselves in the process? And what can we do to make them see a better way.
Here lies one problem with 'fighting' this type of war. Some people (and groups) cannot be reasoned with, they cannot be negotiated with, they cannot be compromised with.

So many Americans think that these kind of people are raised to sympathize, empathize, to be tolerant, accepting, and rational. They are not. To try to find a way to do such things with these people only cost more lives.
The problem is that THEY are US.
THEY are here already. THEY are not just people of Middle Eastern heritage.
THEY are fanatics - fueled on by propaganda they see on the internet.

May I repeat - THEY are here - and many of our children are being drawn to their warped thinking...and are being recruited daily.
ITA.
It's shocking to me how people don't see this....or understand this.
Dovetails w/ the responses about Syrian refugees to the US. The refugees have nothing to do with the people...they are escaping from. Why can't people see this? Innocent people needing help to save their lives.

Quite a few years ago now, when my area was flooded with refugees from the Khomeini overthrow in Iran, there was all kinds of hate and discrimination out there because really ignorant people were equating the immigrants WITH Khomeini, the embassy hostages, etc. Hello? They came here because *they were in danger of their lives in Iran because they were pro-Western, anti-fanaticism.* so they were victimized twice over.

That was well before terrorist attacks on US soil and other civilized countries....

I would hazard a guess that the 2 Russian men (Tsarnaev) who came into this country with seemingly innocent motives, the older one marrying an American girl, living quietly in a suburban neighborhood all the while plotting to set off bombs at the Boston Marathon were never thought off as terrorists. I am sure people saw them daily and never thought anything malicious about them. Yet, in the aftermath of the bombing, details surfaced about them and their mother.

Are there homegrown terrorists here already? I am sure. But why would we want to keep taking the chance to bring more in under humanitarian ideals?

I'm done with P.C. Just say what you mean and mean what you say. It's easier.