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@Porcelain wrote:

I guesstimate there is life on other planets. It's more likely than not. But I don't assume they're space tourists or migrants.

They could very well be plants or bacteria. Or frogs who happen to be homebodies and keep to themselves on their comfy little space lilypads. Or pure energy creatures who can automatically sense everything in existence, so they already know everything about us and all the other life on other planets. Or creatures who live in a different dimension or outside of time.

The concept that aliens want to come here and abduct and do funny things to rural people and cows is just a projection of what we choose to do when we encounter new species. I think deep down we feel guilty about how we treat other forms of life and expect to have the same things done to us.

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I agree.  There's an old saying about how you only believe what you'd do yourself, so we're projecting that behavior on the extraterrestrials.

[Queen of shop]

This subject has always intrigued me. What I really find facsinating, is what kind of metal these spaceships are made of to allegedly enter and leave our atmosphere and not completely burn up? That technology would come from a very advanced civilization. At least as advanced as us.

I do believe that we are not the only planet that has life. The lifeform can just be simple cells.

There is just so much to find in ancient caves and stone carvings of primative earth people that chose to express their art as always looking to the skies. Granted, there was not much else to look at way back then but the sky and their landscape. They did, however, depict what looked like spaceships and astronauts.

The pyramids in Egypt and Mexico are a quandry too to me. Like I said, just fascinating stuff. I wish to know some answers before I pass from this earth. lol Like the quote from the movie, "you can't handle the truth". I can handle it and would like to know more.

[suzyQ3]

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@Queen of shop wrote:

This subject has always intrigued me. What I really find facsinating, is what kind of metal these spaceships are made of to allegedly enter and leave our atmosphere and not completely burn up? That technology would come from a very advanced civilization. At least as advanced as us.

I do believe that we are not the only planet that has life. The lifeform can just be simple cells.

There is just so much to find in ancient caves and stone carvings of primative earth people that chose to express their art as always looking to the skies. Granted, there was not much else to look at way back then but the sky and their landscape. They did, however, depict what looked like spaceships and astronauts.

The pyramids in Egypt and Mexico are a quandry too to me. Like I said, just fascinating stuff. I wish to know some answers before I pass from this earth. lol Like the quote from the movie, "you can't handle the truth". I can handle it and would like to know more.

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@Queen of shop, there is no mystery as to how the pyramids in Egypt were built; they were constructed by Egyptians. Pre-Colombian civilizations built their own pryamids as well.

[agb80]

But how was Stonehenge built ??????  

[candys mine]

@GrailSeeker  Thinking like an Earthling.  We are a Very young species/ civilization.  Might be a Far Older civilization(s) out there who have worked the problem for a very long time.

My honest sympathy that you had to suffer through Night Terrors. 

[Porcelain]

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@Queen of shop wrote:

The pyramids in Egypt and Mexico are a quandry too to me. Like I said, just fascinating stuff. I wish to know some answers before I pass from this earth. lol Like the quote from the movie, "you can't handle the truth". I can handle it and would like to know more.

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I'm glad you can handle the truth. It ain't aliens.

Pulleys, ramps, and lots of lots of slaves.

They figured it out in 2018 when they discovered the remains of one of the ramps.

From the Sun and the British Sunday Times.

"The Great Pyramid of Giza is one of the ancient wonders of the world, and with good reason. The enormous structure was built around 4,500 years ago, made from enormous granite stones supposedly cut by wooden wedges.

What confuses archaeologists is how ancient Egyptians managed to haul these stones up onto the pyramid's structure – with the biggest stones weighing between 25 and 80 tonnes.

Now scientists believe that these millennia-old builders used specialised ramps with wooden posts in, allowing teams of men to haul rocks upwards using a pulley-style system.

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A ramp with two staircases and several post holes was discovered by complete chanceCredit: University of Liverpool / Yannis Gourdon

With 2.3million blocks making up the Great Pyramid, simply dragging rocks upwards from above required huge amounts of effort. 

But scientists investigating inscriptions at the ancient Hatnab quarry accidentally unearthed a ramp with a 20% incline. It was previously believed to be impossible for Egyptians to have pulled heavy blocks up ramps at more than a 10% incline – but this ramp was double the steepness.

5The Great Pyramids at Giza have confused scientists with their enormous size – the biggest is 146.7 metres tallCredit: Alamy

The ramp had a surprising feature, however: post holes set alongside the steps on the side. According to Roland Enmarch, from the University of Liverpool, these holes would've been filled with thick wooden posts.

Teams of builders would then have wrapped ropes around the posts to create pulleys that allowed blocks to be pulled upwards from below. This, when combined with a team of men pulling upwards, made it possible to have a steeper and more compact ramp.

Dr Roland Enmarch pictured filming with a documentary crew at the Hatnab quarry, where the discovery was made Credit: University of Liverpool

"The arrangement allows people to be spaced up and down the ramp, and all the force to be exerted in the same direction," said Enmarch, as quoted by The Times.

Yannis Gourdon, of the French Institute for Oriental Archaeology, said the stones lifted from the quarry would've been a similar size to those used in the Great Pyramid.

Part of the problem for scientists, however, is that the ramps used to build the Great Pyramid were removed after construction.

That means it's impossible to know whether the exact same system was used at Giza. But Dr Enmarch described it as a "plausible inference". He added: "This shows that at the time the Great Pyramid was being built, this technology was also being used."

During that process, they found a three-metre-wide ramp that had steps either side of it. And the built-in holes were capable of being filled by posts measuring half a metre across. "That means that when [Pharoah] Cheops made the pyramid in Giza they had the technology to transport huge stones on the huge steep slopes," said Gourdon.

And Dr Enmarch agreed, saying the "double lashing system" was likely to have been used in Giza. "They could pull both around the post and on the block-up and downwards," he said. "It doubles the number of people who can haul on the blocks."

I wish the history channel or PBS or somebody (anybody!) would show entertaining but genuinely educational shows again.

If you think about it, it's not hard to imagine humans figuring out a clever way to maneuver these stones. We know medieval people managed to create stone cathedrals. It took skilled engineers, good organization, money, and lots and lots of workers. The rationale for creating pyramids and henges would be similar to creating cathedrals. 

The ancient civilizations that built pyramids were extremely advanced. They didn't need outside help. They had extremely advanced societies that lasted an extremely long time.

[suzyQ3]

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@agb80 wrote:

But how was Stonehenge built ??????  

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@agb80, this a rather comprehensive examination:

https://www.history.com/topics/british-history/stonehenge

[Queen of shop]

Hi  @suzyQ3. I'm not for sure sold on that. I went to Egypt to check this out for myself. And also Mexico for the same reason. Sure, the tour guides in Egypt tell you that the Egyptians built them. I think they are bound by the tour company to say that.

When you speak to the guides off record, they tell you that the most useful and hard enough trees to make the sledges to carry the rock, are located in Lebanon. Fascinating. Many other points too that just can't be dismissed.

Chitzen Itza is stagering to see. The pyramids are filled with astronomy. The pyramid of Kukulkan, the feather serpent, reacts during the soltice. The serpent appears to run down the side of the structure. So precise in its calculations. People from all over the world go to experience it.

There is also New Grange, in Ireland, that was built before the pyramids in Egypt. Another solstice spectacle like Stone Henge.

Yes, I do believe that the people in those areas built the buildings. I do believe, in some way, that they got help from somewhere. Aliens? Maybe or maybe not. That's why I need answers. lol.  

[suzyQ3]

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@Queen of shop wrote:

Hi  @suzyQ3. I'm not for sure sold on that. I went to Egypt to check this out for myself. And also Mexico for the same reason. Sure, the tour guides in Egypt tell you that the Egyptians built them. I think they are bound by the tour company to say that.

When you speak to the guides off record, they tell you that the most useful and hard enough trees to make the sledges to carry the rock, are located in Lebanon. Fascinating. Many other points too that just can't be dismissed.

Chitzen Itza is stagering to see. The pyramids are filled with astronomy. The pyramid of Kukulkan, the feather serpent, reacts during the soltice. The serpent appears to run down the side of the structure. So precise in its calculations. People from all over the world go to experience it.

There is also New Grange, in Ireland, that was built before the pyramids in Egypt. Another solstice spectacle like Stone Henge.

Yes, I do believe that the people in those areas built the buildings. I do believe, in some way, that they got help from somewhere. Aliens? Maybe or maybe not. That's why I need answers. lol.  

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Well, there is nothing I can say about your feelings on this, @Queen of shop.

[Queen of shop]

@suzyQ3 And that is okay. I appreciate the conversation. Have a great evening.