Mother Of Columbine Killer Breaks Silence - Page 15

scotnovel · ‎12-31-2013

@segrl21 wrote:
@Noel7 wrote:
@segrl21 wrote:
Read an excellent book called Columbine by Cullen. Much of what the media told us was false or exaggerated. He read the boys diaries and watched their many videos taping themselves. Got to the bottom of the actual story. The parents were unaware of what their sons were doing. The weapons didn't come from parents homes. They had friends, very popular, made good grades, had girlfriends (one who actually bought the guns), both were manipulative and covered their tracks well. They weren't bullied, in fact were popular especially in their own circle. They manipulated their parents, teachers, friends and community. Eric was the "louder" of the two, Dylan quiet & artsy. Dylan came off as a victim of Eric but in reality he was just as sociopathic as Eric. It was a fascinating book to read because it displaced the many myths built around the actual story. It made me emphasize with the parents. Really feel for their parents not only did their children become killers, they had too still grieve a child being lost.
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Wow. Did the author have any idea why they did it?

Yes somewhat. There was bullying at the school but they weren't at the end of it, a few remarks here and there but Eric himself was a bully. Basically Eric was a psychopathic killer, he was highly manipulative and wrote constantly how he hated anyone and wanted the whole world to die,etc. He was reported about 18 times to the police for violent behavior. He put into one of his diaries "I lie all the time". Dylan was a bit more muddled. Up until the week of the shooting he put in his diary he was going to commit suicide before the shooting...but he still planned it all the same and went full in the last week. It is an eye opening book and well written. It shocked me TBH, about how much the media got wrong at the time.

It didn't shock me that the media got things wrong at the time. In this case at the time the media had no access to the written or filmed diaries of the boys. They didn't know right away where they got the guns, how many they had, or a lot of the other details & the families certainly weren't going to talk to the media right away. Everyone they interview right after an event like this has their own opinion of what happened & why usually just based on their own biases not facts. We seem to expect the media to immediately be 100% right about every detail when an event like this is happening and certainly during the weeks right after and frankly that just isn't possible. The police don't know the details right away and they certainly don't share everything with the media right away or even later on.

marmiesgirl · ‎04-21-2014

@Marp wrote:
@goldensrbest wrote:
@ID2 wrote:
All these questions being asked were answered by watching the show.
I could not watch.
@goldensrbest, if you are interested in watching the video is available now if your service provider is listed or it will be available to all next week. IMO watching would be time well spent.

http://abc.go.com/shows/2020/listing/2016-02/12-021216-silence-broken-a-mothers-reckoning

Thanks @Marp, I missed part of it.

SydneyH · ‎03-10-2010

@Noel7 wrote:
What is it we supposedly know?

Quite a bit at this point imo.

Melania · ‎06-12-2013

@colliegirls wrote:
I feel more sorry for the Klebolds than the Harrises. It appears that Dylan was a follower, insecure, depressed. It is not unusual for teenagers who are vulnerable to be taken advantage of by someone they think is a friend. It happens every day, it just isn't (thankfully) horrific front page news. Eric Harris was apparently a total psychopath who would have found someone else to help him commit the terror, if it hadn't been Dylan. The making of the bombs and the arsenal was at the Harris house. (That would be hard to miss in your home. I will always blame the Harris parents to some degree.)

That is what I've always struggled with...the not thinking anything of the arsenal or not going into certain spaces in my own home as my child deserved/demanded their privacy?? Oh heck no!!

The parents of Harris were woefully neglegent in that area and look what he had and was planning. Klebold's mother wished he would be stopped at the killings? She must have had some inkling to him having issues. I realize services are lacking for troubled children especially then but still.

Some parents are afraid of their kids. It's so messed up.

Nataliesgramma · ‎03-28-2015

@colliegirls wrote:
I feel more sorry for the Klebolds than the Harrises. It appears that Dylan was a follower, insecure, depressed. It is not unusual for teenagers who are vulnerable to be taken advantage of by someone they think is a friend. It happens every day, it just isn't (thankfully) horrific front page news. Eric Harris was apparently a total psychopath who would have found someone else to help him commit the terror, if it hadn't been Dylan. The making of the bombs and the arsenal was at the Harris house. (That would be hard to miss in your home. I will always blame the Harris parents to some degree.)

Me too......

SydneyH · ‎03-10-2010

@Melania wrote:
@colliegirls wrote:
I feel more sorry for the Klebolds than the Harrises. It appears that Dylan was a follower, insecure, depressed. It is not unusual for teenagers who are vulnerable to be taken advantage of by someone they think is a friend. It happens every day, it just isn't (thankfully) horrific front page news. Eric Harris was apparently a total psychopath who would have found someone else to help him commit the terror, if it hadn't been Dylan. The making of the bombs and the arsenal was at the Harris house. (That would be hard to miss in your home. I will always blame the Harris parents to some degree.)
That is what I've always struggled with...the not thinking anything of the arsenal or not going into certain spaces in my own home as my child deserved/demanded their privacy?? Oh heck no!!

The parents of Harris were woefully neglegent in that area and look what he had and was planning. Klebold's mother wished he would be stopped at the killings? She must have had some inkling to him having issues. I realize services are lacking for troubled children especially then but still.
Some parents are afraid of their kids. It's so messed up.

Agreed, I may give a teen a pass on a diary or something but weapons.........I think not. I don't know how much the families paid out in the settlement.

JJsMom · ‎03-10-2010

I feel bad for her because it must be horrible to live with the pain and guilt, but come on ... she was totally negligent as a parent.

There were warning signs all over the place that she chose to ignore. He hacked into the school computer system, vandalized a school locker, and broke into a van with Eric. That's not normal rebellious teenage behavior. Why on earth would she allow him to have so much privacy? How did she not know he was still hanging out with Eric and plotting the massacre? Isn't it a parent's job to know who their kids are with and where they are?

Dylan even asked for a gun, yet she still didn't feel the need to check his room, where a gun and ammo were stored. She didn't even know he'd been practicing in a shooting range! This wasn't a good kid who suddenly snapped. He was troubled for a very long time, but she chose to live in denial because it was easier on her.

If I were a parent of one of the victims, this book would p!$$ me off, not bring any sort of closure or comfort.

If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. ~ Desmond Tutu

justmyopinion · ‎11-23-2015

@JJsMom wrote:
I feel bad for her because it must be horrible to live with the pain and guilt, but come on ... she was totally negligent as a parent.

There were warning signs all over the place that she chose to ignore. He hacked into the school computer system, vandalized a school locker, and broke into a van with Eric. That's not normal rebellious teenage behavior. Why on earth would she allow him to have so much privacy? How did she not know he was still hanging out with Eric and plotting the massacre? Isn't it a parent's job to know who their kids are with and where they are?

Dylan even asked for a gun, yet she still didn't feel the need to check his room, where a gun and ammo were stored. She didn't even know he'd been practicing in a shooting range! This wasn't a good kid who suddenly snapped. He was troubled for a very long time, but she chose to live in denial because it was easier on her.

If I were a parent of one of the victims, this book would p!$$ me off, not bring any sort of closure or comfort.

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My thoughts exactly.