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Miami Condo Building Evacuated

Our local CBS affiliate posted that a Miami condo building near the site of the one that collapsed has been evacuated. The condo board deemed it unsafe. Does anyone in the area know details? Scary!

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Just Googled and read @On It 


@On It wrote:

Our local CBS affiliate posted that a Miami condo building near the site of the one that collapsed has been evacuated. The condo board deemed it unsafe. Does anyone in the area know details? Scary!


 

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/28/1132172867/miami-building-evacuated-surfside-condo-collapse

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MIAMI BEACH (AP) — An evacuation order has abruptly forced out residents of a 14-story oceanfront building on the same avenue where a condominium collapse killed nearly 100 people last year.

 

The city posted an unsafe structure notice Thursday evening at the Port Royale condominium, Miami Beach spokesperson Melissa Berthier said in an email.

 

A structural engineering report prompted the evacuation of the 164-unit structure, which is in the process of undergoing a required recertification.

 

An engineer discovered that a main support beam identified for repair 10 months ago had shifted and that a crack in the beam had expanded, and other structural supports may need repair as well, the report said.

 

At least one observer said the damage extends beyond a single support beam. “There’s cracks in the column, cracks in the base, I mean in the garage, in the two storage garages, there’s cracks in the beams, everywhere,” Marsh Markaj, a building resident who said he works in construction and noticed the problems, told WPLG-TV.

 

Inspection Engineers Inc. said in a letter to the city that it's working to obtain a city permit so that “comprehensive shoring” can be installed within 10 days. That will be followed by another inspection of the building, which was constructed in 1971.

 

During an inspection about 10 months ago, engineers found “areas of concern that we designated as a priority to be repaired,” Arshad Vioar said in an email sent to the Miami Beach Building Department.

 

The building’s association selected a contractor and the repairs started about four weeks ago. The firm that inspected the building was asked to supervise the work and this week “noticed that one of the main beams in the garage had experienced a structural deflection of approximately ½ inch and also the existing crack that was marked for repair had extended,” Vioar said in the email.

 

The Port Royale is about 1.3 miles (2 kilometers) south of the Champlain Towers South condo building in Surfside, Florida, also on Collins Avenue, where 98 people were killed in a June 2021 collapse.

 

The disaster at the 12-story oceanfront condo building in Surfside drew the largest non-hurricane emergency response in Florida history, including rescue crews from across the U.S. and as far away as Israel to help local teams search for victims.

 

Other buildings in South Florida have been evacuated in similar safety scares since the Surfside collapse.

 

The Champlain Towers South collapse focused scrutiny on the structural integrity of aging condominium towers throughout Florida, especially along its coastlines, and the state has since moved to strengthen laws requiring inspections and periodic recertification of buildings.

 

Miami-Dade County had required the first recertification only after 40 years and the Surfside building was undergoing that recertification process when it collapsed.

 

New state rules signed into law in May require buildings to have their first recertification after 30 years, or 25 if they are within 3 miles (5 kilometers) of the coast, and then every 10 years thereafter.

 

Miami-Dade also now requires building owners to provide up to three months of housing and associated costs if officials determine their building was unsafe as a result of negligent maintenance.

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Poor residents!  Probably a lot of retirees.  

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Built on sand...at waters edge.......not for me

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"Miami-Dade also now requires building owners to provide up to three months of housing and associated costs if officials determine their building was unsafe as a result of negligent maintenance."

 

Interesting. Bear in mind with condos, the building owners are typically the tenants. That was the big issue with Champlain Towers South. The owners/tenants didn't want to pay for the repairs and repairs got delayed, and the building fell as they squabbled over the cost and extent of repairs needed. 

 

"Negligent maintenance" is vague enough to be tied up in courts for decades. Any structure built with concrete and steel (in the form of structural steel or rebar) in a coastal area will deteriorate over time regardless of "maintenance." Concrete, steel, and saltwater are just a bad mix over the long term. Build two identical concrete and steel structures and put one in Idaho and one on the coast and the one on the coast will fail long before the one inland. 

 

Builders, architects, and engineers all know this and take pains to maximize the life of coastal structures, but any coastal structure made of concrete and steel is a temporary structure that will require ongoing maintenance and eventual replacement. You just can't build one that will last forever. Fifty years is probably the best anyone can hope for in such a building before they become either too unstable or too costly to repair. 

 

Is it possible to build a coastal structure that would last for longer? Yeah. Fiberglass rebar is replacing steel rebar in many applications. It doesn't rust or decay when exposed to saltwater. It is more expensive though. And there are fire concerns along with long-term strength concerns that don't exist with steel rebar. Marrying the two side by side in a concrete pour would make sense to take advantage of both of their strengths but would more than double (likely triple) the cost of the rebar and complicate construction significantly adding more costs. And even then odds are there would be an issue down the road that would need addressing. Coastal environments are not ideal for structures.

 

 

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Regulations are for sissies...

 

O wait.

 

Never mind.

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It certainly won't be the last one.  

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@gardenman Interesting and it makes snese.  It also makes me wonder how many other buildings that went up  decades ago are in a similar situation not just in Fl but other coastal areas.

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@haddon9  Can't speak about FLorida but I know that in Ocean City, MD the cost to upkeep is a huge issue on the condo's that are ocean-side. There was a time you couldn't give them away (which was when the in-laws bought a few) and then they sky-rocketed in price; but condo fees can't be capped so as they continue to climb, people are now looking to sell again and it's not easy.

 

Salt water destroys everything. Can't tell you how many times they've had to treat/replace the frames for all the windows and sliding doors due to rust/corrosion. I often wonder about the elevators, the stairs, all the metal work not to mention the HVAC units on the roof that are all exposed to the sea air and sand 24 hours a day. There was a time I wondered why none of the units my in-laws purchased were above the 3rd story as well as a few only being in buildings that offered 3 floors....now I understand.

 

You always see maintenance being done on the buildings which is probably why the look so nice and I can't think of one time my in-laws have complained; but they pay a pretty penny on those condo fees, let me tell ya!

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