Re: Medical Examiner: Joan Rivers Died From a 'Pre... - Page 2

shesallthat · ‎03-09-2010

On 10/16/2014 YorkieonmyPillow said:
On 10/16/2014 chrystaltree said:
I'm surprised by the finding. The report seems to be saying that the doctor and the facility acted appropriately and Joan's death was due to the normal risks associated with anesthesia. Which certainly could be the case. Anyone who has ever had any type of surgery or any invasive testing knows the risks, that's why we sign consent forms. It's just that things like this are so rare that we assume they never happen.

I read it the exact opposite way: a "predictable complication" would mean the doctors should've been aware that this could happen, and been prepared in the case of. Meaning, it should NOT have happened.

Yes, ktylnam, she had a laryngospasm. I don't believe she had consented to the biopsy that was done.

that is exactly how i read it,too!

YorkieonmyPillow · ‎01-13-2013

On 10/16/2014 shesallthat said:
On 10/16/2014 YorkieonmyPillow said:
On 10/16/2014 chrystaltree said:
I'm surprised by the finding. The report seems to be saying that the doctor and the facility acted appropriately and Joan's death was due to the normal risks associated with anesthesia. Which certainly could be the case. Anyone who has ever had any type of surgery or any invasive testing knows the risks, that's why we sign consent forms. It's just that things like this are so rare that we assume they never happen.

I read it the exact opposite way: a "predictable complication" would mean the doctors should've been aware that this could happen, and been prepared in the case of. Meaning, it should NOT have happened.

Yes, ktylnam, she had a laryngospasm. I don't believe she had consented to the biopsy that was done.

that is exactly how i read it,too!

It has to be.

Something predictable is an event that can be foreseen.

An unpredictable complication would be something that happens out of the blue with no reasonable expectation that it could occur......which clearly, isn't the case here. I see a lot of liability here, to put it mildly.

Lindsays Grandma · ‎03-10-2010

What is interesting about this is that during an interview Joan had she was asked if all the surgeries she has had scared her, her response was, "No, what scares me is the anesthesia." I had quite a few surgeries but never worried about it but now I'm beginning to feel uncomfortable since I am going under again on the 27th for my second cataract surgery.

I loved Joan Rivers and it is just so sad that died from the one thing that scared her. I still find it hard to believe she is gone and it was hard to watch the recent showing of her jewelry on QVC.

The moving finger writes; And having writ, Moves on: nor all your Piety nor Wit Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line Nor all your Tears Wash out a Word of it. Omar Khayam

Shorty2U · ‎03-09-2010

I have more questions as to was she hooked up to proper monitoring? Yes I realize everytime we undergo a procedure anything can happen. But Id like to know more.

I feel so bad for her family! My prayers are with her daughter and grandson!

And, what happened to her is my worst nightmare. I HATE being put under and it worries me more than the actual surgery. (I had a double discectomy in my spine, and breast cancer and worried about being put under more than the surgeries!).

Now I have to get hand surgery at one of those outpatient surgery places. I dont trust it. I think they should do ALL procedures and surgeries in a HOSPITAL!

And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make~ The Beatles

Charming1 · ‎05-09-2013

From a CNN article...comment from pathologist and surgeon Bill Lloyd.

"The unanswered question is why they did not do a combat (tracheotomy)?" he asked. "You've seen in the James Bond movies. You take a ballpoint pen and puncture the thyroid cartilage and create an emergency airway for her. Of course, they would do it with sterile instruments. ... And, after minute two, did anybody say, We need to start doing some CPR for her?"

The complete article is at CNN.

“There are things that we don't want to happen but have to accept, things we don't want to know but have to learn, and people we can't live without but have to let go.” Author Unknown

Financialgrl · ‎03-13-2010

I don't get it - I live in VA and BF and I see the same gastroenterologist. He is older and has Medicare. If I have a colonoscopy or endoscopy mine can be done in doctors office and there is an anastesiologist on staff.

But bc BF is older and on Medicare, we were told beginning 2 years ago that his procedures are required to be performed in a hospital setting. They said it's a requirement, not something they just do - so it perhaps shows differences in state requirements. To meet that requirement, our area has a medical building buttressing up to the hospital with an entrance accessing directly into the ER and they have made the whole bottom floor of the center into individual suites to be used by doctors for just such procedures. If anything happens, docs from ER can get right there, and no waiting for an ambulance, etc. I find it hard to believe an 80+ y/o anywhere is allowed to have this procedure done in just a doctors office.

hyacinth003 · ‎03-12-2010

I do not know the details of any of this.

However, whatever happened may have also occurred in a hospital. There are no guarantees she could have been successfully treated there either. Yes, the odds would be better, but no guarantee.

All procedures carry some risk.

Hyacinth

lizzief · ‎09-27-2011

I don't think the speculation will ever end because this report was very inconclusive. I'm actually surprised it didn't mention anything about what was wrong with Joan's throat, since that's why she had the procedure!

raven-blackbird · ‎06-03-2010

On 10/17/2014 lizzief said: I don't think the speculation will ever end because this report was very inconclusive. I'm actually surprised it didn't mention anything about what was wrong with Joan's throat, since that's why she had the procedure!

it sounds like she had it done because of changes to her voice..........in her line of business, her voice/ability to speak is everything..........................................raven

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151949 · ‎03-09-2010

On 10/16/2014 YorkieonmyPillow said:
On 10/16/2014 chrystaltree said:
I'm surprised by the finding. The report seems to be saying that the doctor and the facility acted appropriately and Joan's death was due to the normal risks associated with anesthesia. Which certainly could be the case. Anyone who has ever had any type of surgery or any invasive testing knows the risks, that's why we sign consent forms. It's just that things like this are so rare that we assume they never happen.

I read it the exact opposite way: a "predictable complication" would mean the doctors should've been aware that this could happen, and been prepared in the case of. Meaning, it should NOT have happened.

Yes, ktylnam, she had a laryngospasm. I don't believe she had consented to the biopsy that was done.

The coroners report says nothing about laryngospasm or biopsy so what is your source that this was done. Only facts please - no supposition . I am sure the possibility of what actually happened was covered in her OR permit - which she would have signed before the procedure.