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12-16-2017 12:34 PM
@IamMrsG wrote:I have refrained from joining this topic, but I must address this post:
@Goldengate8361 wrote:Girl power is great. More men need to be fired.
As I inject my 2¢ into this thread, it is with full acknowledgment that it is exactly that–my 2¢. Take it or leave it, but don’t expect me to debate it as I will not be pulled into the fray.
When our now nearly forty-year-old child was in the third grade, he and I struggled with his wanting to keep current with his friends. Back then, the slasher movies, chainsaw massacre types, were popular. Our son was not, however, because he was the only one among his peers not allowed to watch them. I distinctly remember explaining to him that what entertains us will eventually be accepted as lifestyle. Sadly, I believe time has proved me somewhat prophetic. <tic>
It is my earnest belief that our whole society is to blame for this shame. The piper must be paid, and the bill has come due for decades of lowered moral standards, acceptance of “anything goes.” In my lifetime, I see it as beginning as far back as the 60s, the time of Free Love. The natural progression went to the acceptance of single parent households (remember when they were called unwed mothers?). Mode of dress has become increasingly less modest through the decades. Consider the way the women we've allowed to assume the position of role models present themselves, e.g, Miley Cyrus, Lady Gaga, the Kardashians, etc. ‘Song’ (I use that term loosely) lyrics, aimed at the younger generation, are filled with references to “hos” and sexual assault.
So that I am not misunderstood, let me say un-categorically that I am in no way dismissing or excusing those guilty of rape or blatant sexual assault. I would gladly personally sentence those to a special place in hell. What I am trying to say is that through the decades, we have all blurred the line between flirtation and harassment. Now we don’t like it, so the pendulum is beginning to swing back the other way. And lives are being ruined in the process by thirty, forty year old memories that were in large part tolerated at the time for fear of being called prudish by the school of popular thought.
I will finish with one more prediction, and I sincerely hope to be wrong. Another area in which our standards have drastically declined is in the valuation of education. Grammar is abominable and excused. Putting together two correct sentences seems to be a challenge, but as long as “u get what I mean,” what’s the big deal? Without a computer, the simple act of making or giving change is difficult. I could go on with examples, you could probably give your own, but the point is that invoice to pay the piper will come due someday, too.
Sorry, but sexual harassment and assault has been going on for thousands of years. It didn't start in the 1960's.
12-16-2017 12:39 PM
@IamMrsG wrote:I have refrained from joining this topic, but I must address this post:
@Goldengate8361 wrote:Girl power is great. More men need to be fired.
As I inject my 2¢ into this thread, it is with full acknowledgment that it is exactly that–my 2¢. Take it or leave it, but don’t expect me to debate it as I will not be pulled into the fray.
When our now nearly forty-year-old child was in the third grade, he and I struggled with his wanting to keep current with his friends. Back then, the slasher movies, chainsaw massacre types, were popular. Our son was not, however, because he was the only one among his peers not allowed to watch them. I distinctly remember explaining to him that what entertains us will eventually be accepted as lifestyle. Sadly, I believe time has proved me somewhat prophetic. <tic>
It is my earnest belief that our whole society is to blame for this shame. The piper must be paid, and the bill has come due for decades of lowered moral standards, acceptance of “anything goes.” In my lifetime, I see it as beginning as far back as the 60s, the time of Free Love. The natural progression went to the acceptance of single parent households (remember when they were called unwed mothers?). Mode of dress has become increasingly less modest through the decades. Consider the way the women we've allowed to assume the position of role models present themselves, e.g, Miley Cyrus, Lady Gaga, the Kardashians, etc. ‘Song’ (I use that term loosely) lyrics, aimed at the younger generation, are filled with references to “hos” and sexual assault.
So that I am not misunderstood, let me say un-categorically that I am in no way dismissing or excusing those guilty of rape or blatant sexual assault. I would gladly personally sentence those to a special place in hell. What I am trying to say is that through the decades, we have all blurred the line between flirtation and harassment. Now we don’t like it, so the pendulum is beginning to swing back the other way. And lives are being ruined in the process by thirty, forty year old memories that were in large part tolerated at the time for fear of being called prudish by the school of popular thought.
I will finish with one more prediction, and I sincerely hope to be wrong. Another area in which our standards have drastically declined is in the valuation of education. Grammar is abominable and excused. Putting together two correct sentences seems to be a challenge, but as long as “u get what I mean,” what’s the big deal? Without a computer, the simple act of making or giving change is difficult. I could go on with examples, you could probably give your own, but the point is that invoice to pay the piper will come due someday, too.
With the exception of the grammar, what you are speaking of is lack of morals, and i agree ,we have excepted so much in our society.
12-16-2017 12:40 PM
@SydneyH wrote:
@suzyQ3 wrote:
@SydneyH, I think that we are all aware that women can be abusers, but come on. The vast majority of sexual harassment is perpetrated by men. That is a fact.
As for "girl power"? I don't like it either because I don't like buzz words.
I don't know it it be a fact, quite frankly I think it's underreported. Buzz words in regards to this topic imo are inappropriate, period.
@SydneyH, and I could quite easily and credibly say that harasmment against women is underreported. That seems to be changing, and I hope it covers ALL harassers regardless of gender.
12-16-2017 12:42 PM
@Maudlynn wrote:This began in the 60s? There are just as many women who harass? OMG and LOL. Using your femininity to get promoted is different than harassment, btw. And if women flirted and were subsequently harassed and/or assaulted, it still is not their fault. When a woman says NO or ENOUGH, the harasser needs to back off. I can't believe this has to be pointed out.
Not to mention women had even worse second-class standing back in those "good old days" than they do now.
Women were abused, raped, harrassed and preyed upon even when they wore the "modest and ladylike" clothing so many yearn for.
The difference? Nothing was done about it.
12-16-2017 12:43 PM
Yeah, in a 1950 nutshell.
Sorry...they had issues back then, as well.
Many want the ‘Head In The Sand Days” to return.
Ick.
No thanks.
12-16-2017 12:53 PM
Let us not forget the sexual harassment and rape of slave women for several centuries.
12-16-2017 12:54 PM
@sidsmom wrote:Yeah, in a 1950 nutshell.
Sorry...they had issues back then, as well.
Many want the ‘Head In The Sand Days” to return.
Ick.
No thanks.
YOUR POST, is just not true.
12-16-2017 12:54 PM
@sidsmom wrote:Yeah, in a 1950 nutshell.
Sorry...they had issues back then, as well.
Many want the ‘Head In The Sand Days” to return.
Ick.
No thanks.
The only people who want those days back are the people who weren't touched by any of the dangers/dysfuntionality of those days.
Most everyone else sees right through the propaganda.
12-16-2017 12:56 PM
@Noel7 wrote:Let us not forget the sexual harassment and rape of slave women for several centuries.
Noel ,that is not what she meant, and your smart ,so you should know that.
12-16-2017 12:59 PM
@Noel7 wrote:Let us not forget the sexual harassment and rape of slave women for several centuries.
I'm not. Read a book. There are several. Her post was factually wrong. What's next, a dissertation on how "Wil and Grace" created gay people?
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