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I thought so, thank you @manny2.

 

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Apparently,, yesterday during the Today show, Savannah was starting to interview Anne Hathaway about her new movie "Mother Mary". During commercial break she left and never came back. Hoda took over the interview.

 

There was suupose to be an update on the case on 4/15 @ 9pm but it never occurred. So who knows what is going on with this case.

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@Blondie59 wrote:

Apologies if this was discussed earlier in this thread, but I was thinking about the story I read where Nancy lived a double life:  a Tucson grandmother and "Elena", a woman who frequented Santa Fe, enjoying art shows and music.  She also had a companion there, an art dealer.  She was regularly wiring him money; most recently this past January. Supposedly, Savannah got a letter saying, "ask about Elena".  The family had no idea Nancy had this secret and I have to wonder if somehow it is connected...could it have been blackmail?  I also read a story saying Nancy financed a mortgage for the boyfriend, and the family did find out, somehow affecting her will.

 

i don't know if it is all garbage, but wanted to ask. everything I've read on these boards is so well thought out and informative.. thank you for all of the detail.

 

Lastly, I couldn't find the story in mainstream media.  I heard about it on a pod cast, and googled "Nancy Guthrie double life" and the story came up.

 

thanks for indulging me.


If this was true, it sure would answer alot of questions.  Unfortunately, there are people out there that make this cr@p up AND people believe it.  

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@Blondie59 wrote:

I thought so, thank you @manny2.

 


I know it is hard to decipher what is real and what is not. @Blondie59 

 

Turning a real missing person case into a fictional “secret life” story isn’t entertainment, it’s disrespectful and cruel. A family is living through something serious, and inventing plot twists for clicks only adds pain.

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@RescueLover wrote:
manny2 and JeanLouiseFinch 🌼🌼


AND to EVERYONE else here as interested in this case as We are !! 🪻


I have watched this YouTuber before, but his recent one was Extremely EYE OPENING !!! 😳😳😳



Search Joseph Morris and then his video titled FEDS Visit TC and everyone’s saying the same thing !



There’s a fella on his video that shows how the left foot placement and walk of the suspect are identical to someone Very close to the family.


Check it out!!

@RescueLover, is this video the one Monks Intrigue put out? The one that describes a family member's gait?

 

Have people not noticed that it's not that unusual a foot placement? Watch how some men walk, and observe at any Walmart, mall, or on film. 


Bless his heart. He has the case cracked.The only thing I find more annoying than his whispering voice are those fawning in his chat. But that's true of many youtuber's chats.

 

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@occasionalrain wrote:

What motive would a family member have? What have they to gain?


 

@occasionalrain, I don't see where a family member has anything to gain. 


They've lost a loved one. Have had suspicion heaped upon them. Their every move is critiqued and past behavior scrutinized. Gossiped, gossiped, and gossiped about without being given the grace to grieve in peace. 

And without any body, many states require a waiting period before someone can be declared dead and an estate can be probated.

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@manny2 wrote:

@occasionalrain wrote:

What motive would a family member have? What have they to gain?


A stranger does not make sense.  Someone with access, familiarity, or something to gain has far more motive than a random masked intruder. There was no ransom, no theft, and no clear reason for a stranger to target her. 


 

It all comes down to motive. And that has seemed to be elusive. I still think this was a hate crime. She was targeted because of her devotion to her faith. I think it was a crime of anger, and meant to be a big FU to her supreme being, showing he could not save her.


I think a ransom was a secondary consideration. Possibly to entice someone like "porch guy" to help. I don't think Nancy lasted long after her abduction and a ransom wasn't sought.

 

 

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RE: Last night's new conversation on The Interview Room 

 

Chris' guests included the usuals; John Lamb, Gary Brucatto, Don Ahrens, and occasional guest Dan Stover.   Collectively they have 100+ years experience in law enforcement.  Based on what they know and their years of experience, without saying the name and making an outright accusation, it's obvious who they all think is involved.  

 

As it often happens with these discussions, it was a lot of rehashing of already known information.  Brucatto went through some examples of how LE hones in on a suspect.  Something I thought was interesting was how each of the guests on the panel answered as to how they would have responded if they were the one who received the call to go to the scene - all would have acted similarly. From the moment they arrive, they are thinking about the potential court case that could eventually happen.  They know the questions that will be asked, they know how defense lawyers will pick things apart so getting everything right, right from the start, is essential.  They all went through how they would observe the scene, how they would preserve the scene, what they would take into evidence, how they would separate individuals for questioning, etc. and how their career long practices were in direct contrast to what actually happened.  The Guthrie case was a total screw up from the beginning.  The homicide detective and investigator assigned to manage the scene had no experience.  That's a leadership failure.  Overlooking evidence and releasing the scene too early was a mistake and the commander should have corrected that.  The panel also agreed that when the home was released back to the family all evidence would have/should have been collected so the home should have been cleaned for them, such as removing the blood from the porch rather than allow it to remain and create the public media spectacle.  They also would have restricted all the media from staying on Nancy's street for days and weeks.  

So, not much new but I still find it interesting when they state the questions they would ask, how they detail the LE's flaws and failings, and what does and doesn't make sense.  




I made it about ten minutes into that episode. That was enough for me. 


It's not about the number of years on the job that's important. It's about the quality of your work, it's about your integrity, it's about your productivity, and your humanity. I've never heard them mention their conviction rates, their clearence rates.

 

Yes, admittedly I don't care to watch. I have my reasons. Mainly I can't get past the Good Old Boys vibe. Wonder if they obtained their positions through merit, civil service requirements, competitive exams or something else like being part of the Good Old Boys Club. The same type of club they take snipes at Nano over.

 

But I digress. I left the show when they started talking about viewing an investigation from a prosecutor's point of view. Hogwash. You're not a prosecutor. Do your job thoroughly, professionally, and the prosecution takes care of itself. Of course you anticipate questions, but you quell them with a solid investigation. Cover all bases.

And part of doing that is to look at as many known players as possible. You consider individuals A, B, and C and show that you can eliminate them by X, Y, and Z. So a defense attorney can't suggest you focus from the beginning solely on his client. So why the repeated questioning about an area or point of focus in some aspects of this investigation?

 

And seriously, have there been any investigations with any local departments they haven't had issues with? Comment, speculate and critique, the stuff their content is made of. Pick their target of the week.

 

But from the beginning this group, other than Dr. Brucato have played the statistics and reached for that low hanging fruit.

 

I am a little curious to see their responses will be once the actual actors are apprehended.

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Speculating on a Q board isn't going to impact the family, but for those who make money off this family tragedy is despicable and says all anyone needs to know about those low life individuals.

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@elated, possibly the update was that DNA from hair has been sent to the FBI. I don't know if I've read this or if it's supposition on my part but I got the impression they (that lab in Florida that some seemed to love to hate) was able to separate the mixed DNA. Imagine it was sent to the FBI to be run through COSID. 


It is supposed to be from hair. Depending on where on a body that hair was derived it could explain why it was mixed. And my mind goes to a dark place where Nancy suffered additionally. Bless her.