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Also same episode 2 hours 52 minutes or so, into episode he talks again and explains it more.
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I listened to the Interview Room- Day 37 Inside the Nancy Guthrie Case - FBI Task Force, Missing Evidence and Real Suspects with Sgt Aaron Cross. He is the President of the Pima County Deputy Organization. He has made some interesting points regarding Sheriff Nanos and the investigation.

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@elated wrote:

I listened to the Interview Room- Day 37 Inside the Nancy Guthrie Case - FBI Task Force, Missing Evidence and Real Suspects with Sgt Aaron Cross. He is the Presudent of the Pima County Deputy Organization. He has made some interesting points regarding Sheriff Nanos and the investigation.


I started it last night but dozed off so I need to finish it.  The episodes are so long but I am really liking The Interview Room discussions since Chris and his guests have many years experience in the field.  

 

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@elated wrote:

I listened to the Interview Room- Day 37 Inside the Nancy Guthrie Case - FBI Task Force, Missing Evidence and Real Suspects with Sgt Aaron Cross. He is the Presudent of the Pima County Deputy Organization. He has made some interesting points regarding Sheriff Nanos and the investigation.


I started it last night but dozed off so I need to finish it.  The episodes are so long but I am really liking The Interview Room discussions since Chris and his guests have many years experience in the field.  

 


@JeanLouiseFinch Dr. Brocado (might have spelled that wrong) is my favorite guest. But they have very different experienced guests.

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@elated wrote:

I listened to the Interview Room- Day 37 Inside the Nancy Guthrie Case - FBI Task Force, Missing Evidence and Real Suspects with Sgt Aaron Cross. He is the Presudent of the Pima County Deputy Organization. He has made some interesting points regarding Sheriff Nanos and the investigation.


Wow, Aaron has no love for Sheriff Nanos.  It's well deserved.

 

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i'm still keeping up with this... but its very boring now.. it will end up being a coldcase... 

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When hearing complaints about Sheriff Nanos keep in mind that he will be up for reelection in 2028 if he decides to run again which is questionable.

 

He is 70 years old and has been in law enforcement since 1976 so I have little doubt there are some already laying the foundation for their campaigns.

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@JeanLouiseFinch wrote:

@elated wrote:

I listened to the Interview Room- Day 37 Inside the Nancy Guthrie Case - FBI Task Force, Missing Evidence and Real Suspects with Sgt Aaron Cross. He is the Presudent of the Pima County Deputy Organization. He has made some interesting points regarding Sheriff Nanos and the investigation.


Wow, Aaron has no love for Sheriff Nanos.  It's well deserved.

 


@JeanLouiseFinch  Sheriff Nanos should never have lead this investigation. His ego has hurt this case and derailed finding Nancy..

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Well, I finally watched this episode. I don't have the same take on things as others. These YouTube True Crime shows are for entertainment purposes only. They seem in each episode to pick a target, and run with it. This episode's target was the sheriff.

 

Now they know darn well that Sgt. Cross wasn't in the position to discuss any aspect of the investigation. So why was he on the show? The same reason he's pops up in front of any YouTube camera he can find. He has an ax to grind.

 

That behavior is not productive, and not professional. It's distracting and divisive. This isn't the time or such a discussion. You want to talk about undermining public trust? You do it by showing your supervisor, and thus your department, in poor light. You do it by airing a department's internal squabbling. They all have internal conflicts and clashes. They all have people wanting to jockey for position. But this isn't the time and place.

 

Yes, Cross is president of the Deputy Organization. I believe he said there were 375 members. I could swear I heard there are 900 deputies, seems to me not all want him as their representative, only a fraction want to join the organization.

 

And he had high praise for the former Sheriff Dupnick. Is it true that Sheriff Dupnick selected Nanos to be his successor? 

And to clear up any misunderstanding. Nanos never lead the investigation. He's an administrator, not an investigator. The investigation was/is lead by a detective in the homicide unit.

 

Much was being made about the years of experience in that unit. I suspect that this department, like in much of the country, saw a decrease In officers post COVID. People retired, people quit, people got burned out, people became complacent. 

From my experience people are replaced and shuffled into different departments for a variety of reasons such as complacency, personality clashes, or unwillingness to avail themselves of updated training. 


What I found interesting was that McDonough never asked if these new transfers in to homicide had investigative experience in other units. Interesting that no one asked what the clearance rate had been for the two years prior to the shakeup, and what the clearance rate has been for past two years with these transfers. 

I think the discussion of the homicide unit lacking experience, and the implication that went with it, was a demoralizing disservice. Again, not the time or place.

 

And then the discussion of the parking. Cross knows darn good and well the sheriff didn't prohibit the media parking. He must realize that County Ordinances are passed by County Council, and it seemed to have stemmed by the tax paying neighbors' complaints over public safety on the street. Heaven forbid a fire truck or ambulance needed to run that gauntlet. Council passes a law, the sheriff's department merely enforces it.

 

 

 

 

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It’s good to hear another perspective, but the sheriff’s problems didn’t come from YouTube. Everyone saw those early press conferences, he made strong statements, then walked back. That confusion came from his own communication.

 

Sgt. Cross didn’t create the criticism. Concerns about removing the experienced homicide team have been around long before he spoke publicly. That decision came from leadership, and people noticed.

 

This was also the kind of case where letting the FBI take the lead would have avoided a lot of issues. Instead, the crime scene was released early, and that call came from the top.

 

The sheriff’s reputation for ego isn’t something Cross invented. That’s been said by many inside and outside the department for years.Cross stayed professional. He focused on staffing and procedure, not personal attacks.

 

And on the parking issue: no one thinks the sheriff wrote the ordinance. But he absolutely had discretion in how it was enforced during an active investigation. Agencies make those decisions all the time.

 

Bottom line: this isn’t about YouTube drama. It’s about leadership, communication, and choices made during a critical case. The sheriff shaped that narrative long before Cross ever appeared on camera.

 

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