Issue with clowns --- must have missed the memo - Page 3

Moonchilde · ‎05-23-2010

@SaRina wrote:
Some people are chronically offended when attempts are made to include everyone. Especially where children are concerned, feeling excluded or "different" is a terrible thing.

I agree. The winter "holidays", "happy holidays" and "seasons greetings" and other representations began because whole groups of children and adults were excluded and only one single holiday was "celebrated", school and community-wise.

Communities with love and understanding in their hearts could have embraced welcoming in other groups and could have been happy to celebrate and honor *their* traditions as well - but no. It had always been all about their traditions, no room or thought for anyone else.

So, after time, in some instances government agencies had to step in, from Federal down to city, to insure that "only one" tradition didn't prevail. If people couldn't find it in their hearts to understand and adapt, the govt had to help.

And none of it needed to have happened if equal time, or ANY time, had been given in the schools and elsewhere to any other traditions than one. Like it or not, those most aggrieved brought it on themselves. It would have taken so little to have not made it necessary.

Life without Mexican food is no life at all

bonnielu · ‎03-11-2010

Thanks for your replies. Our area was always a happy area with all kinds of celebrating and THEN I guess the negatives caught pn and we too were effected. As a teacher I can remember my colleagues literally being sent home for wearing anything that was remotely Halloween including color. And Christmas decoration was banned and I was in full swing when I was called into the Principals office because of my dastardly deeds. My kids were from broken homes, some parents were either in jail, deported or otherwise not present. I might have been the onlyone to make the holiday special for them. I did not give in. I threatened to go to the newspapers and expose the injustice. What in the heck were they going to do to me, a Jewish teacher who wanted to make a difference in their lives. How would that look! The ole principal gave in without a fight and my decorations were allowed to stay.

HappyDaze · ‎06-13-2012

@Spurt wrote:
@bonnielu wrote:
I have recently been made aware that clown costumes are OUT AND OR FORBIDDEN. What is the issue, no doubt I have missed it. If it is political excuse me for asking. I just am curious and people I ask don't seem to know.

Last year I taught teachers were sent home if they even wore orange and black. What has this world come to. Our Halloween anything was banned at our middle school and throughout the area and this was in 2010.
@bonnielu

It all started when people complained that schools were celebrating a SECULAR Holiday season....and kids weren't even allowed to hold an assembly to celebrate and sing "Jingle Bells", "Sleigh Ride" "Winter Wonderland", "Up On The Housetop", "Let It Snow"....etc etc.....So in retaliation Halloween was next on the list because of possible connection with certain Sects.......Basically because of the attitude of someone "being offended" kids can't celebrate any holidays anymore at school and aren't allowed to have some fun.....

Many places don't even allow the kids to bring in treats to celebrate their birthdays as some religions don't celebrate birthdays so we don't' want to offend them. I remember it was so fun bringing in cupcakes into our classroom for our birthday.. Pretty sad kids don't get these little fun, happy moments in school now.

AngusandBuddhasMom · ‎03-10-2010

@Moonchilde wrote:
@SaRina wrote:
Some people are chronically offended when attempts are made to include everyone. Especially where children are concerned, feeling excluded or "different" is a terrible thing.

I agree. The winter "holidays", "happy holidays" and "seasons greetings" and other representations began because whole groups of children and adults were excluded and only one single holiday was "celebrated", school and community-wise.

Communities with love and understanding in their hearts could have embraced welcoming in other groups and could have been happy to celebrate and honor *their* traditions as well - but no. It had always been all about their traditions, no room or thought for anyone else.

So, after time, in some instances government agencies had to step in, from Federal down to city, to insure that "only one" tradition didn't prevail. If people couldn't find it in their hearts to understand and adapt, the govt had to help.

And none of it needed to have happened if equal time, or ANY time, had been given in the schools and elsewhere to any other traditions than one. Like it or not, those most aggrieved brought it on themselves. It would have taken so little to have not made it necessary.

So agree 100 % its ok for them to exclude those who are not celebrating their holidays but don't do what they do to others to them.

Moonchilde · ‎05-23-2010

@HappyDaze wrote:
@Spurt wrote:
@bonnielu wrote:
I have recently been made aware that clown costumes are OUT AND OR FORBIDDEN. What is the issue, no doubt I have missed it. If it is political excuse me for asking. I just am curious and people I ask don't seem to know.

Last year I taught teachers were sent home if they even wore orange and black. What has this world come to. Our Halloween anything was banned at our middle school and throughout the area and this was in 2010.
@bonnielu

It all started when people complained that schools were celebrating a SECULAR Holiday season....and kids weren't even allowed to hold an assembly to celebrate and sing "Jingle Bells", "Sleigh Ride" "Winter Wonderland", "Up On The Housetop", "Let It Snow"....etc etc.....So in retaliation Halloween was next on the list because of possible connection with certain Sects.......Basically because of the attitude of someone "being offended" kids can't celebrate any holidays anymore at school and aren't allowed to have some fun.....
Many places don't even allow the kids to bring in treats to celebrate their birthdays as some religions don't celebrate birthdays so we don't' want to offend them. I remember it was so fun bringing in cupcakes into our classroom for our birthday.. Pretty sad kids don't get these little fun, happy moments in school now.

In reality, it's about food allergies and healthier snacks/treats. It's about treats served at schools not being full of sugar or with the potential to kill classmates.

Cupcakes can be served at private parties in the home, the park, the beach/lake or wherever.

It's about liability, but people will often grab onto any excuse that suits their view, rather than the reality.

Life without Mexican food is no life at all

Mimi 1883 · ‎03-15-2010

@Moonchilde wrote:
@SaRina wrote:
Some people are chronically offended when attempts are made to include everyone. Especially where children are concerned, feeling excluded or "different" is a terrible thing.

I agree. The winter "holidays", "happy holidays" and "seasons greetings" and other representations began because whole groups of children and adults were excluded and only one single holiday was "celebrated", school and community-wise.

Communities with love and understanding in their hearts could have embraced welcoming in other groups and could have been happy to celebrate and honor *their* traditions as well - but no. It had always been all about their traditions, no room or thought for anyone else.

So, after time, in some instances government agencies had to step in, from Federal down to city, to insure that "only one" tradition didn't prevail. If people couldn't find it in their hearts to understand and adapt, the govt had to help.

And none of it needed to have happened if equal time, or ANY time, had been given in the schools and elsewhere to any other traditions than one. Like it or not, those most aggrieved brought it on themselves. It would have taken so little to have not made it necessary.

Spoken like a true... Nevermind.

F/N/A luvstogarden

Moonchilde · ‎05-23-2010

@Mimi 1883,

Oh DO please elaborate - I'm so looking forward to reading your thoughts 😜

Life without Mexican food is no life at all

tansy · ‎01-02-2011

@Moonchilde wrote:
@Mimi 1883,

Oh DO please elaborate - I'm so looking forward to reading your thoughts 😜

Yes, please go on with those thoughts, @Mimi 1883😏

proudlyfromNJ · ‎05-01-2010

@tansy wrote:
@Moonchilde wrote:
@Mimi 1883,

Oh DO please elaborate - I'm so looking forward to reading your thoughts 😜
Yes, please go on with those thoughts, @Mimi 1883😏

I would like to read them also.

maestra · ‎03-09-2010

@HappyDaze wrote:
@Spurt wrote:
@bonnielu wrote:
I have recently been made aware that clown costumes are OUT AND OR FORBIDDEN. What is the issue, no doubt I have missed it. If it is political excuse me for asking. I just am curious and people I ask don't seem to know.

Last year I taught teachers were sent home if they even wore orange and black. What has this world come to. Our Halloween anything was banned at our middle school and throughout the area and this was in 2010.
@bonnielu

It all started when people complained that schools were celebrating a SECULAR Holiday season....and kids weren't even allowed to hold an assembly to celebrate and sing "Jingle Bells", "Sleigh Ride" "Winter Wonderland", "Up On The Housetop", "Let It Snow"....etc etc.....So in retaliation Halloween was next on the list because of possible connection with certain Sects.......Basically because of the attitude of someone "being offended" kids can't celebrate any holidays anymore at school and aren't allowed to have some fun.....
Many places don't even allow the kids to bring in treats to celebrate their birthdays as some religions don't celebrate birthdays so we don't' want to offend them. I remember it was so fun bringing in cupcakes into our classroom for our birthday.. Pretty sad kids don't get these little fun, happy moments in school now.

Most schools dont allow treats b/c of peanut allergies and yes, classroom disruptions (for middle school). That said, I would use our Religion HR period after lunch to celebrate birthdays, Halloween, St. Paddy's, Valentines-nothing huge, but allowing children to fellowship and relax a little. Administration knew I didnt go overboard so it was approved.