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[NYCLatinaMe]

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@Kachina624 wrote:

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@DottieBlue wrote:

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@Trailrun23 wrote:

They were threatening to strike and that would have been a real mess....and management knows it. UPS has long been the highest-paying company for package delivery services. I had a friend in grad school whose husband was a UPS driver. She drove a jaguar convertible so guess he was doing pretty well. Anytime a big salary or benefit boost happens, the consumer pays for it.

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And every time an Executive gets a big pay increase or Christmas bonus, who pays for that?  The Customers!!!  

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@DottieBlue.  That has nothing to do with what we're  discussing.  The responsibilities and duties of executives are much more critical than those of a truck driver. 

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@Kachina624  We disagree on this too. Reliable deliveries are ESSENTIAL for pretty much anything we do in this country, including carrying out any directives by any executive.  Without deliveries, the executives could not accomplish their jobs.

CBS reported that if UPS workers stayed home that "would pose the most significant threat to the U.S. economy of any labor action in years. UPS handles roughly a quarter of some 59 million packages shipped nationwide daily, according to the Pitney Bowes Parcel Shipping Index."

We ALL have a role to play in this world, and I don't see the need to exalt executives at the expense of UPS workers.

[pdlinda]

@NYCLatinaMe   YES.   UPS workers are ESSENTIAL (like long-haul truck drivers) in keeping this economy going.  Without them, (like long-haul truck drivers) we'd suffer severe consequences.

[Kachina624]

@NYCLatinaMe.  Other people

E are essential too but compared to UPS  drivers they make peanuts.  Should we just increase the pay of all essential workers by 50 or 100%?  UPS's big mistake was overpaying from the beginning.  They've always paid higher wages than any other delivery service.  They've never had trouble hiring their drivers.

[pdlinda]

@DottieBlue   I'm a big, big, big COSTCO shopper.  I simply love their merchandise, it's priced right and their return policy can't be beat.  I'm happy to pay the annual fee.

One of the pivotal points that drove me into shopping at Costco was the fact that THE CEO EARNS EXACTLY 10x WHAT THE LOWEST PAID WORKER receives.  From what I understand, Costco pays their hourly employees very well and it's rewarded by a very high employee retention rate.  The stores are run so well, and, in all the years I've shopped there I can see the same faces on the floor or at the registers year after year.

The fact that there is a decent (not outrageous)proportionality between the CEO's salary and the staff meant a lot to me and it still does.

[NYCLatinaMe]

@Kachina624   I believe in fair wages and have a hard time understanding why you would begrudge these employees a fair wage.  Please feel free to decry what companies overpay to executives, even to those that don't do a good job and they want to move out the door.  That increases the costs to middle and low income earners too.  And executives are also handsomely rewarded for figuring out new ways to squeeze more and more profits from underpaid and overworked employees.

Deliveries is hard work, that as long as I could do other work, I would not do.  Those employees work in harsh conditions and most end up suffering from physical ailments that those of us with desk jobs do not suffer from our employment.  Maybe just a sore wrist or neck.

[Kachina624]

@NYCLatinaMe.  Most of these guys and gals enjoy being outside with some freedom away from a boss.  They're young or youngish in good physical condition.  The work isn't backbreaking. They have dollies for heavy items.

We're  not discussing executive salaries.

[NYCLatinaMe]

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@Kachina624 wrote:

@NYCLatinaMe.  Most of these guys and gals enjoy being outside with some freedom away from a boss.  They're young or youngish in good physical condition.  The work isn't backbreaking. They have dollies for heavy items.

We're  not discussing executive salaries.

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@Kachina624 I don't know how you decide they enjoy this tough job.  I suppose they enjoy it as much as you enjoyed your job.  Like everyone, it's a paycheck, and most of us do our best.  I know there is a lot of pressure in terms of achieving delivery timetables and targets, they are on their feet all day bending to lift things out of the truck, carry them somewhere and leave them in the floor at their destination.  I see them in my building every day.  Like I said, I wouldn't do it.  God bless them.

I just wouldn't complain about their paycheck.  But I would about those that make more than a $1 million a year.  Not sure what they do to deserve it.  And I am not speaking about those with extraordinary talent in the arts and athletic fields.  Those folks put in enormous uncompensated hours to develop those athletic and artistic skills, and, if they are lucky, achieve their chance.  They bring their audiences so much joy, and I do think they deserve whatever they can get.  But running a business does no take extraordinary talent.  One just has to know the right people, and a few skills.  Most of these people are interchangeable. 

If the earnings gap between the top executives and rank and file can be reduced, in my mind, that is a good thing.

[Kachina624]

@NYCLatinaMe.  Why don't you call the qvc executive offices and ask Mr. David Rawlison about how much skill, education and knowledge is required for his CEO  job? Also ask him if he should be paid less considering the responsibility of thousands of employees, stockholders and multiple corporations.  If they fail, it all comes down on him.

There are people who are pro-labor and those who are pro-managemengt.  It's obvious we are on opposite sides of the spectrum.  End of conversation.

[NYCLatinaMe]

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@Kachina624 wrote:

@NYCLatinaMe.  Why don't you call the qvc executive offices and ask Mr. David Rawlison about how much skill, education and knowledge is required for his CEO  job? Also ask him if he should be paid less considering the responsibility of thousands of employees, stockholders and multiple corporations.  If they fail, it all comes down on him.

There are people who are pro-labor and those who are pro-managemengt.  It's obvious we are on opposite sides of the spectrum.  End of conversation.

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@Kachina624 So you don't want labor to get salaries commensurate with their efforts, but want executives to be overcompansated?  That is a new one for me.

[Kachina624]

@NYCLatinaMe. Executives have a lot of preparations for the job.  I just enumerated them.  That also have huge responsibilities.  I don't know what their salaries are so can't comment on whether they're overpaid.  Maybe yes, maybe no.

I do know that UPS has no educational or skill requirements outside of a clean driving record and read and write.  I don't think that's worth $170,000/yr.  The don't work any harder than many other blue collar workers, less than many.  They  work 5 days a week and, under the Fair Labor Standards Act, should be eligible for overtime.