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One of the reasons people tend to doubt some of what RJ says about how much in love he was with Natalie (and doubts about other aspects) is how comparatively quickly he married Jill St John after the death, inquest, and all his weeping and wailing.  That, more than other things, made people (including me) think less of him.


From what I have seen over the yrs in my own life men in general seem to get over the death of a spouse quickly and remarry soon afterward.  Just what I have seen in the lives of those around me.  Example of a famous person that did this is Liam Neeson....when his wife died suddenly from head trauma while skiing with their son.....he was hooked up in just a few short months with his new co-star.  Men move on ....women by nature seem to get "stuck".  Again just how I see it!

 

Also people or should I say drunk people falling over board happens just recently again a Mother and her daughter on a cruise ship...the daughter fell over board.  I think this was just a tragic case...no murder here.


 

There are a lot of men who marry soon after because they like having a woman at their side, especially older men.

 

A lot of women have no interest in marrying again and thrive on independence.  There are studies that attest to that.  I had an aunt by marriage like that.  After she was widowed, she dated older gentlemen who proposed to her, but she always said she would never marry again and have to change her life to fit that of someone else, she liked her freedom.

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A lot of women remarry very quickly too.  My sister did. It worked out ,but I always wonder if she wished she would have waited a bit

 

I think she was afraid to raise her 2 children alone. This was  over 50 years ago ,and the world was a far different place for women, back then.

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A lot of women remarry very quickly too.  My sister did. It worked out ,but I always wonder if she wished she would have waited a bit

 

I think she was afraid to raise her 2 children alone. This was  over 50 years ago ,and the world was a far different place for women, back then.


 

That, I can see.  A younger woman with children to raise, it's kind of a protective thing, having a partner to help and perhaps offer financial stability.

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BTW - Liam Neeson has never remarried and didn’t even have ongoing dates for several years after Natasha died. He had two young sons - he was grieving, and taking care of them.

 

For a high profile actor, everyone assumes -

 

Seen in a photo with=hooking up=sex.

 

It doesn’t matter if they were just friends on set, had dinner together to keep each other company, etc. If he’s attractive & available and she’s attractive & available, of course they’re having casual sex and tossing sorrow out the window, doesn’t everyone?  Um...no.

 

There was a woman he saw from 2010-2012 and nothing much is known after that. He definitely hasn’t had a succession of hot babes from the moment his wife died and he’s definitely not married, and it’s been almost 9 years.

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I always thought he had something to do with it and IMO the whole incident was hush hush.  I liked him at one time(hart to hart)  but ever since that I change the channel when he comes on.

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I’ve followed this story from the beginning. They were such a beautiful couple. West Side Story is still one of my favorite movies.  At the time this happened, Natalie and Christopher Walken were doing a movie together.  I’ve read she told her sister she had feelings for him. That night, Robert confronted them both in a jealous rage. IMO, knowing how frightened Natalie was of water and that she couldn’t swim, even if she was drunk, I don’t think she’d have gone into the water on her own.  I just found out about the bruises on her body. Maybe, later, after her and Robert were alone, the argument continued and got physical. Somehow, she fell in the water and Robert couldn’t/wouldn’t help her. I agree with others here who think Robert knows more than he’s said. I felt it then and I still do. Sadly, after all this time, we will never know for sure exactly what happened. 

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I can't let my mind go there.   Whoever  brought up the scenario of them drinking, having a fight---sure,  this happens. 

 

And, she might have just been drunk and po'd enough to try to get the dinghy and take off without anyone knowing.

 

That is plausible to me; not Robert Wagner killing her.   It was a tragedy, that's for sure.


 

That's how I see it, also.  Why would there even be a dinghy involved if someone pushed her over?


 

@Noel7  The dinghy could have been part of a staging, we will never know, but I have always been suspicious.

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Natalie was deathly afraid of water....I don't see her going into a dingy or jumping in the water..

 

I think they were all too drunk (they were seen drinking all afternoon) and probably don't remember what DID happen.

 

Natalie and Robert probably got into a fight...might have been some pushing and shoving....and at some point she fell overboard. The others probably either didn't realize it or knew it and used bad judgement not to go get her.......


 

@Nataliesgramma  I’m also very afraid of water and never learned to swim. I even turn my back to shower head, so water doesn’t get in my eyes. 

 

There is no amount of alcohol or anti-anxiety meds that would get me into a dingy in the dark...middle of the ocean, no less.

 


Would you spend days at a time on a boat ---drinking et al?

 

She was known to take the dinghy by herself.

 

 


@Lucky Charm  In her nightgown in pitch darkness?  I highly doubt it.

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I can't let my mind go there.   Whoever  brought up the scenario of them drinking, having a fight---sure,  this happens. 

 

And, she might have just been drunk and po'd enough to try to get the dinghy and take off without anyone knowing.

 

That is plausible to me; not Robert Wagner killing her.   It was a tragedy, that's for sure.


 

That's how I see it, also.  Why would there even be a dinghy involved if someone pushed her over?


 

@Noel7  The dinghy could have been part of a staging, we will never know, but I have always been suspicious.


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To what end?  It would have been easier to push her over the side and assume she tripped or fell because she was so drunk. Staging would indicate premeditation and doesn’t make sense.  Why take chances spending time setting up or pulling over a dhingy?  Easier to get caught that way.

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I’ve followed this story from the beginning. They were such a beautiful couple. West Side Story is still one of my favorite movies.  At the time this happened, Natalie and Christopher Walken were doing a movie together.  I’ve read she told her sister she had feelings for him. That night, Robert confronted them both in a jealous rage. IMO, knowing how frightened Natalie was of water and that she couldn’t swim, even if she was drunk, I don’t think she’d have gone into the water on her own.  I just found out about the bruises on her body. Maybe, later, after her and Robert were alone, the argument continued and got physical. Somehow, she fell in the water and Robert couldn’t/wouldn’t help her. I agree with others here who think Robert knows more than he’s said. I felt it then and I still do. Sadly, after all this time, we will never know for sure exactly what happened. 


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@SleeplessinSD, it is actually a myth that Natalie was so afraid of the water that she would not get into the dingy.  This was all covered in the book "The Coroner" by Noguchi.  He was the coroner at the time and his book covers the autopsies he did on famous people, including Robert Kennedy.

 

The examination and investigation conducted by him, established that Natalie the very day she drowned had taken the dingy to Catalina island by herself and it was witnessed by several people that day.  I was glad to see this because I actually had family that lived in an apartment and had a boat docked at Marina Del Ray.  They saw Natalie come back to the dock many times in the dingy while the boat was presumably out, so they personally knew that it was a common practice for her to take the dingy out by herself.  Dudley Moore used to have a house right there by the marina and several times they saw her take the dingy toward his dock.  In fact, I actually have a picture of "The Splendor" docked at Marina Del Ray from when we visited out there.  So it just isn't true that she was so afraid of the water that she wouldn't take the dingy somewhere.

 

I read the book years ago,so I don't remember all the details, but one of the witnesses that saw Natalie come to Catlina Island was some type of legitimate coast guard or ocean monitor individual stationed there.  There were multiple other witnesses as well that Natalie had arrived onshore at Catalina Island alone in the dingy earlier in the day.  

 

In fact, if I remember correctly...this same person saw the party leave in the dingy after dinner that evening at Catlina Island and recognized that all of them were very drunk.  He called and asked for an unobtrusive escort to follow them to the boat to make sure they got there safely.  Which they did.

 

The examination also determined that the bruises she had were consistent with her trying to climb back up in the dingy. The book is far more specific on where the bruises were, what type they were,  etc.   They actually investigated the wind current and ocean current and were able to trace her path and the dingy from the boat.  She and the dingy followed the same path away from the boat.  This was significant because the normal current & wind pattern without any manuevering would have taken her and the dingy out to sea, instead of the opposite direction toward Catalina Island. 

 

Her blood alcohol level was above the legal limit and determined she was intoxicated.  The one thing she didn't do was remove her fur coat.  Naguchi actually attributes that as a primary factor that contributed to her drowning.  Her fur coat was weighing her down and she was too intoxicated to think to remove it. 

 

Additionally, someone on a boat in the area off of Catalina island was having a party and playing very loud music.  One of the other boaters that evening actually called in a complaint about the other boat, which wasn't The Splendor.  That is probably the reason most people didn't hear her cry out for help. There were plenty of boats and people in that area. 

 

There is quite a bit of information about her autopsy and the medical examiner's investigation in that book.

 

I remember thinking after reading the book, it didn't make any sense that if Robert Wagner was going to push her overboard that she would have a fur coat on or that the dingy would be untied and follow the path in the water that it did.  

 

My impression and I have seen nothing over the years to change it, is that it was a tragic accident.  They may have been arguing, etc.  But that doesn't mean he killed her either purposefully or accidentally.   And the evidence I read from the medical examiner doesn't seem support that theory either.  Why would someone push someone overboard and then untie the dingy.  Why would she not maneuver back to the boat and climb right back up the step on the actual boat or hold onto the boat while calling for help?  She evidently struggled for quite some time with the dingy so even with the fur coat on, she would have been able to hold onto the boat's propeller or the step for some time.  Just my thoughts after reading the book and the information obtain by the medical examiner's investigation.  

 

But still, with all the evidence that people have that it was common practice for Natalie to take the dingy out all by herself, people today still cite her fear of the water that she would never do that.  Some things just keep perpetuating itself, even when it is not grounded in fact.  I just know that my family members saw her multiple times cruising around the marina in the dingy by herself and they scoff when someone says she would never do that because she was so afraid of the water since they saw her do it on multiple occasions.  


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