Re: How are we going to keep the vaccine cold enou... - Page 4

geezerette · ‎03-16-2010

@IdahoGram wrote:
First of all I think you have your dates confused since today is Nov 11th. Second, I imagoine there are people whose jobs this is, who are figuring it out. Try not to worry, OK?

Very true.

First, it's highly doubtful the vaccine will be ready for widespread distribution by the date stated. It's not even approved for general use yet. And when it does first get shipped, there will be very limited amounts.

The pharma companies along with the federal and state governments and shipping companies have been working on this since the vaccines were first being developed. My state health department has been keeping our citizens updated and we do have a possible distribution process for when we may receive any vaccine, which won't be much at first.

Also, there are more vaccines in final trials that do not require extreme temperatures, or multiple injections (Pfizer's current vaccine require two injections given a week apart.) The collective thinking is that no universal vaccine will end up being used. More than likely, different vaccines for different needs around the world for various subjects.

Bottom line is that when if and when the current Pfizer vaccine becomes available for public use, it will be so limited that distribution won't be much of a problem at first. Will there be hiccups along the way? Sure. But by the time widespread distribution is ready, most of those will have been worked out. Or we will have other vaccines with other requirements available for use as well.

ETA: Also, we can't assume that all of these vaccines will be the kind we've been used to in the past where we just walk into our local doctors' offices and get a shot. Some may be like the various treatments for this disease, in that they are administered by limited facilities under various circumstances.

tototwo · ‎03-09-2010

@Mindy D -- I'm very curious too. I know it's not my problem to solve, but it's very interesting to think about. Actually, I'm wondering if the vaccine itself is that cold, what will it feel like when it's shot into our arms? Brrrr......

(and will it go into our arms? or elsewhere? so many questions to ponder)

* A woman is like a tea bag. You can't tell how strong she is until you put her in hot water. *
- Eleanor Roosevelt

haddon9 · ‎03-09-2010

@DJP wrote:
I suggest not taking the vaccine if you don't trust it. Then you don't have to worry about how it is distributed.

My thoughts too. I don't know what the long term effects will be with this new vaccine....do the experts know? ....if they do, how could they possibly know? If not then why isn't that important?

Since I don't plan on getting it, I'm not worrying how to keep it cold. From what I read it has to stay 70 degrees below zero. A simple freezer or cold pack isn't going to work.

I've also read that it's not really supposed to prevent one from getting the virus but from making any symptoms from getting severe...I could be wrong about that.

reiki604 · ‎03-09-2010

Chef Jose Andres of the WCK has offered his services with the use of liquid nitrogen used in his kitchens to help with the transport and storage of the vaccine. He is a remarkable man who does incredible work feeding those who are affected by situations such as weather and devastation beyond their control.

'I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man'.......Unknown

Porcelain · ‎02-19-2014

@Mz iMac wrote:
@deepwaterdotter wrote:n the national news this date (11/11/2020)

Russia is lying as usual. They've claimed to have discovered a miracle cure from the beginning. And it's always a lie. Covid is still running rampant in Russia. I wouldn't trust them any farther than I could throw them. They don't have the scientific knowhow anymore anyway.

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Porcelain · ‎02-19-2014

@Cats3000 wrote:
FedEx, UPS and McKesson are ready to ship with all the safeguards needed.

It's up to the states to finish the task. It's up to the residents of the states to demand that their governments get their act together.

See? Like I said. This is exactly the attitude about distribution I would expect at the moment.

ETA: I'd also be willing to bet that there will be states that will refuse to bother with all the work of arranging vaccines for their citizens. That would require they switch gears to admit that Covid is a problem worth going out of their way to combat.

When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
"Power without love is reckless and abusive, and love without power is sentimental and anemic." - Dr. Martin Luther King Jr

Grouchomarx · ‎01-23-2019

Freezers that are -70 degrees are very common in laboratory settings. The vaccine can be shipped on dry ice and then put in a freezer for storage. It will be thawed before injection. I'm guessing that part of the rapid development including bypassing the steps necessary to make it temperature stable. I would imagine that would be a lengthy processs. So we can get it faster with the caveat of ultra low temp storage requirements.

FrostyBabe1 · ‎05-09-2016

There is an article in today's NYTimes that addresses where the vaccine will be manufactured (Southwest Michigan and Belgium) and how they're approaching the distribution challenges. I won't post a link as it may contain disallowed sidebar ads. I know for a fact that the Michigan facility has a fair amount already manufactured and ready to go. It's a fabulous state of the art facility on the site of the company where I spent the bulk of my career before it was purchased by PFE.

The pharmaceutical industry is exceptionally efficient at distribution. I have little doubt that they will do just fine with this product.

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willdob3 · ‎11-01-2010

@Mz iMac wrote:
@deepwaterdotter wrote:
Maybe other companies will produce an effective vaccine that does not require the extremely cold storage facility.
@deepwaterdotter Russia already has a vaccine that does not need cold storage. Supposedly this vaccine lasts 2 yrs & has already been given out to the general public.

The above was on the national news this date (11/11/2020)

@Mz iMac

Think about that statement for a minute...

It is impossible for a vaccine for a virus we have known about for less than a year to have been proven to provide immunity for 2 years.

suzyQ3 · ‎03-09-2010

@Porcelain wrote:
@Cats3000 wrote:
FedEx, UPS and McKesson are ready to ship with all the safeguards needed.

It's up to the states to finish the task. It's up to the residents of the states to demand that their governments get their act together.
See? Like I said. This is exactly the attitude about distribution I would expect at the moment.

ETA: I'd also be willing to bet that there will be states that will refuse to bother with all the work of arranging vaccines for their citizens. That would require they switch gears to admit that Covid is a problem worth going out of their way to combat.

I agree, @Porcelain, Obviously the states have their responsibiity, but they should be able to count on the federal government for guidance and funds. Most important, their compliance will depend on the government's attitude to working together to get us through it. @Cats3000

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