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[raven-blackbird]

On 4/8/2015 scotttie said:

On 4/8/2015 jubilant said:

Noel: I was shocked when I read about the $1 per year...surely they get more from it than this???? I wonder if they had any idea at the time what this would lead to? What does the government say it does for the natives? Also I wonder if many of the natives felt it would provide more and better jobs for them so they didn't say much? I guess I need to read a little more. It seems very sad to lose so much. Of course, what the government calls "progress" is not usually what I call progress. Still, I feel a little "torn" on this one and think the least our government could do is stop and listen and try to come to some kind of understanding and show some compassion. It doesn't sound like they have done that.

Yes, I think that is another part of the equation. They have been totally inconsiderate of the Native Hawaiians religious items on the mountain and have been completely disrespectful (according to the article). From what I read, the Hawaiians may have been willing to co-exist but the astronomy group have routinely ignored their concerns.

as government and all big business has always done with native peoples.......I don't blame the Hawaiian people one bit for wanting to leave the union........what good for the people has come of it........their beliefs trashed, their land trashed, their culture trashed.......everything Hawaiian has been exploited to make non-Hawaiians rich.......IF you want to understand EXACTLY what rape is, just look to the treatment of native people by our government.........................raven

[jubilant]

You know, Raven, I'm sorry to say that, while I have always empathized, I never really thought of it as rape...but that is what it really is. I will pay more attention in the future, I promise you.

[raven-blackbird]

On 4/8/2015 jubilant said:

You know, Raven, I'm sorry to say that, while I have always empathized, I never really thought of it as rape...but that is what it really is. I will pay more attention in the future, I promise you.

it IS rape.........rape it about having power over someone.......and taking what you want............and they did and they have and they continue to.........................raven

[jubilant]

On 4/8/2015 raven-blackbird said:

On 4/8/2015 jubilant said:

You know, Raven, I'm sorry to say that, while I have always empathized, I never really thought of it as rape...but that is what it really is. I will pay more attention in the future, I promise you.

it IS rape.........rape it about having power over someone.......and taking what you want............and they did and they have and they continue to.........................raven

I agree. What can we do?

[scotttie]

On 4/8/2015 raven-blackbird said:

On 4/8/2015 scotttie said:

On 4/8/2015 jubilant said:

Noel: I was shocked when I read about the $1 per year...surely they get more from it than this???? I wonder if they had any idea at the time what this would lead to? What does the government say it does for the natives? Also I wonder if many of the natives felt it would provide more and better jobs for them so they didn't say much? I guess I need to read a little more. It seems very sad to lose so much. Of course, what the government calls "progress" is not usually what I call progress. Still, I feel a little "torn" on this one and think the least our government could do is stop and listen and try to come to some kind of understanding and show some compassion. It doesn't sound like they have done that.

Yes, I think that is another part of the equation. They have been totally inconsiderate of the Native Hawaiians religious items on the mountain and have been completely disrespectful (according to the article). From what I read, the Hawaiians may have been willing to co-exist but the astronomy group have routinely ignored their concerns.

as government and all big business has always done with native peoples.......I don't blame the Hawaiian people one bit for wanting to leave the union........what good for the people has come of it........their beliefs trashed, their land trashed, their culture trashed.......everything Hawaiian has been exploited to make non-Hawaiians rich.......IF you want to understand EXACTLY what rape is, just look to the treatment of native people by our government.........................raven

raven, do you watch the tv program "Red Road" on the Sundance Channel. It is of course a fictional drama but it does deal with some of the Native people issues in what looks like a somewhat realistic and sympathetic way. (Of course the main character is a criminal but the background and Native peoples and what they are up against is sympathetic...at least to this non-Native).

[raven-blackbird]

On 4/8/2015 scotttie said:

On 4/8/2015 raven-blackbird said:

On 4/8/2015 scotttie said:

On 4/8/2015 jubilant said:

Noel: I was shocked when I read about the $1 per year...surely they get more from it than this???? I wonder if they had any idea at the time what this would lead to? What does the government say it does for the natives? Also I wonder if many of the natives felt it would provide more and better jobs for them so they didn't say much? I guess I need to read a little more. It seems very sad to lose so much. Of course, what the government calls "progress" is not usually what I call progress. Still, I feel a little "torn" on this one and think the least our government could do is stop and listen and try to come to some kind of understanding and show some compassion. It doesn't sound like they have done that.

Yes, I think that is another part of the equation. They have been totally inconsiderate of the Native Hawaiians religious items on the mountain and have been completely disrespectful (according to the article). From what I read, the Hawaiians may have been willing to co-exist but the astronomy group have routinely ignored their concerns.

as government and all big business has always done with native peoples.......I don't blame the Hawaiian people one bit for wanting to leave the union........what good for the people has come of it........their beliefs trashed, their land trashed, their culture trashed.......everything Hawaiian has been exploited to make non-Hawaiians rich.......IF you want to understand EXACTLY what rape is, just look to the treatment of native people by our government.........................raven

raven, do you watch the tv program "Red Road" on the Sundance Channel. It is of course a fictional drama but it does deal with some of the Native people issues in what looks like a somewhat realistic and sympathetic way. (Of course the main character is a criminal but the background and Native peoples and what they are up against is sympathetic...at least to this non-Native).

I haven't seen it........but..........I will look out for it.

IF the citizenship of this country really looked at how native people who first inhabited the lands, the government calls theirs.............the lands you even pay for with your taxes...........how these native people have been lied to, systematically culturally diluted.....in an attempt to limit the "problem" (problem being the people and their culture and their right to those lands) or eradicate it totally........then the citizenship would fully understand why other countries look at the USA with the disgust and mistrust they do................................raven

[jubilant]

Do you think there is anyone running for office now that does understand the plight of Native Americans and would fight for their rights, Raven?

[jubilant]

On 4/8/2015 jubilant said:

Do you think there is anyone running for office now that does understand the plight of Native Americans and would fight for their rights, Raven?

Maybe that was a loaded question. I don't want to start a war so just disregard it if it suits you better.

[raven-blackbird]

On 4/8/2015 jubilant said:

Do you think there is anyone running for office now that does understand the plight of Native Americans and would fight for their rights, Raven?

non-NA............no, it's counterproductive to not only their political career but to their personal life...........raven

[SugarNSpice]

On 4/8/2015 jubilant said:

Do you think there is anyone running for office now that does understand the plight of Native Americans and would fight for their rights, Raven?

Not really! It's not in their best interest. They only thing anyone wants from the Natives is a piece of the money coming from the Casinos. Hands are out....

As an enrolled Native we are disgusted how the tribes with large casinos help those outside of the Native Nations before they help their own.

Thank goodness there is a production company that is trying to raise funds to do a documentary on this very subject. We have apples within our own in power and they will held accountable in this documentary (if they get the funds).