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[Thrive]

             I agree that he was wrong.  As a retired special educator, there are techniques that can be used to restrain a student and remove them from the situation.  In addition, the student should not have been thrown!  Apparently, he has an abusive history.

[CrazyDaisy]

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Amazing that there are people who are so willing to give some people a pass concerning their behavior and crucify others.  When you put yourself into situatiopns where bad things can happen, don't be suprised when they do.

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For everyone else, I would agree. But police are not SUPPOSED to do this. 

There is no reason why he should have over-reacted like he did.

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So if this had been a teacher, would you then be OK with how this turned out.

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ACtually no.  I was referring to people who aren't in positions of authority and aren't trained to deal with this.  I am NOT okay with any of this at all.

I was agreeing that normal people might escalate it - doesn't mean I agree with it.  Police aren't supposed to do this at all as they have been trained specifically for these use cases.

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So then if another student had tried to remove her from the class that way they both would get a pass.

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You seem to be having an issue with what I am saying.  What part of "I am NOT okay with any of this at all" are you having an problem understanding here?

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The part where you say "For everyone else I would agree.  Police are not SUPPOSED to do this"

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And you should continuing READING ON. I didn't STOP at 2 sentences.

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The last two sentences apply to the police officer with the use ofthe pronoun "he" not everyone else.

[NoelSeven]

Students who act up in school as this girl did are ordered to go to the principal's office.

If they refuse, typically they are suspended and a note is sent home to their parent or guardian.

If the problem is worse they are expelled.

They are not routinely assaulted and thrown around the room.

Violence breeds violence.

[NoelSeven]

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I'm baffled by the inability to SEPARATE what the girl did and the response by the officer.  TWO SEPARATE THINGS.

She is responsible for her part, NOT the assault/reaction by the officer.

He is responsible for how he handled the situation.

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It baffles me, too. 

[60sgirl]

well, just to offer another perspective here,

seems like whenever a child (and I'll use that for anyone under the age of 18 for illustrative purposes) does something wrong and there is an altercation, the "adult" is held responsible,

Apparently no one has ever seen videos of these under 18 children assaulting each other and teachers because they are in fact as big as an adult and can have as much power and force as an adult,

I have a friend who was a teacher in the public school systems, 8 years ago she got assulated by one of these young ladies and she was badly hurt. She had to go on Workman's Comp and receive medical care for a long time. She settled this case after 8 years for an award of some kind because she will never work again. She was trying to discipline the student when this happened. Nothing happened to the student.  Now I ask you, is this right?

In this case, the officer was a man but what if it was a female officer and the student punched her? Trained or not, people can act out violently and adults too can get hurt. 

[Lipstickdiva]

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@dmod nj wrote:

I'm baffled by the inability to SEPARATE what the girl did and the response by the officer.  TWO SEPARATE THINGS.

She is responsible for her part, NOT the assault/reaction by the officer.

He is responsible for how he handled the situation.

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This is exactly what I see to be the problem too.  They are 2 separate things.  Yes she should be held accountable for her actions.

But she is not responsible for how the officer overreacted and what he did.  He alone is responsible for that.

I think some are coming from the perspective that if she hadn't acted out, he wouldn't have had to come in and none of this would have happened.  If this guy was that off the rails, he would have assaulted someone else.   

@60sgirl, that is not what happened here though. We are talking about THIS situation.

[betteb]

Funny how some only read and comprehend only what they want to.

From CNN (Noel's link)

Fields did wrong and was fired for his actions, Lott said.

But the student must shoulder responsibility for the disruptive behavior that escalated to the officer being called in, the sheriff said.

"When a classroom is disrupted by a student, that disrupts the education process and the students can't learn and the teachers can't teach," Lott said. "We have to have discipline in our schools."

What the student did does not justify the officer's actions, the sheriff said, but she must take responsibility for her role.

[nunya]

I'm still curious why they didn't call a parent or guardian to come deal with her?

[CrazyDaisy]

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@NUNYA wrote:

I'm still curious why they didn't call a parent or guardian to come deal with her?

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In this case I am not sure if they did or not, however the complain most educators have is that the parents are not involved.  They expect the school to handle it.

[Marp]

Take the identical situation and substitute the parent for the RO and the parent would have been charged, at the very least, with aggravated battery on a minor and endangering the welfare of a minor. CPS would have authority over the girl and any siblings while the parent(s) were investigated.

Based on some of the posts there are several that must know this child and not only her social history but her future too.

Please provide those of us that do not know her with citations and the details of her past and ongoing problems, the circumstances under which they occurred and the outcome.